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I had purchased some The Grove Chips when they were first offered from The Chiproom (2012). For those who remember the chips they had a patina on the coin in the middle. Does anyone remember if this was common on these chips? I know there used to be threads about cleaning or not cleaning these but I believe they were deleted. Does anyone remember how many were offered for sale? If I remember right the $100's were not offered with the sets…...
 
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None of my CIC sets do -- Grand Casino Mullet Bay, Aruba Americanas, Aruba Caribbean, Palm Casino, Rounders, etc.

AC Playboys don't either, nor any Vegas CICs I've seen.

It's a good thing, because I don't like yellow gold or brassy inserts at all -- silver only.
 
Do you guys that may have purchased these feel that the patina chips were the norm? How long does it take to develop the patina? Did most of the people that purchase patina chips clean them? I always believed that its just an inherent chemical reaction of having brass insert chips….
 
I expect it is part of the package when you get that type of insert. Maybe mint chips don't have it? I never saw mint CIC chips, so I don't know. But I wouldn't try and polish them to a shiny new finish. Love them the way they are.

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Hey DrS. Thanks for your input…. Ive been around CT since the Argosy Tourney Chips. I appreciate your input!
 
When I used to work at The Grove I handled all of their chips (we would often count 7000+ chips in the count room at night after close). I think they only had about 10,000 chips in total. None of the chips had any corrosion on them back then (even after being in play for probably 10+ years or so). Perhaps that's because of the oil from the players hands maybe? I've also purchased a few lots from various people here and on eBay, and have only seen one lot of the corroded ones so far. Maybe only some lots were damaged? I asked @Godzilla28 if the ones I got from him were corroded when he got them, and he said he never cleaned his and that they were just always like that (not corroded). Maybe some were just more lucky than others. Would be interested to see some before and after pics for those of you that have tried to remove the corrosion and/or polished them.

FWIW, we never cleaned the chips at The Grove. Also, something else which I noticed is that the rack of white fracs I received that came with the corroded chips was noticeably cleaner than the rack of white chips I received from the non corroded chips. They also appear to have much more of the gold hot stamping rubbed off than the dirtier ones. Which tells me that somewhere along the way, someone tried to clean these chips. I'm guessing that is what actually caused them to corrode since the clearly non cleaned set (the super dirty white fracs with strong gold hot stamps) all came with non corroded CICs. Something else interesting is that some of the chips that are really bad are only really bad on one side. Perhaps they were cleaned then laid down to dry on a damp cloth and sat for a long time? I don't know.

Here are some pics of the corroded vs non corroded chips that I've gotten from different sellers as well as the clean(er) vs dirty fracs that came with them. It's hard to show it in the photos. The differences are more noticeable in person.

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For those interested in the history of this place, or at least my history, here's a pic of the building and some old memories...

The Grove was basically a shit hole. It was a small bar in a crack-head filled area north of Seattle that had only a few tables in the back room and pool tables, pull tabs and karaoke in the front. But those games were CRAZY action. Like nothing I've ever seen since (and I went on to play cards full time for over a decade after I left there. I've played just about everywhere in the western US - and no other games even come close to the action there). I kept a log of my play while I was there, and I averaged just over $35 per hour in the 4-8 limit holdem game there. Which goes to show you just how much action there was. That's not usually possible in a game that small.

Here's a picture of The Grove below. I guess it's now called "Wild Hare Bar & Grill". Oh man, I almost forgot, I had my 4Runner stolen from that parking lot too! Just 3 days after I finished putting a Chevy 350 in it (well, my girlfriend at the time's dad did rather, I just helped)... those thieving bastards!

The 100s were pretty much never put into play at The Grove. They tried to run 2 blackjack tables for a brief period, but it didn't really work out. No one ever played, or if they did, they played $5 chips. They quit running blackjack tables and started running a PAN game instead.

All of the blue and orange chips were put into play. In fact on super busy Friday and Saturday nights when the bad beat jackpot was big, they would occasionally run low on chips and we'd be scrambling to get more from the lockboxes. Although I don't recall them actually ever running completely out. They never had very many. It was a pretty small joint. There weren't a ton of orange chips, and they were pretty much only used sparingly on the 4-8 tables or on weekends for the 10-20 game (which was EPIC!). It wasn't unusual for the average stack sizes on the 4-8 game to exceed $1000 and for the 10-20 to exceed $2000. No joke. People took pride in overbuying there. It was pretty funny. Probably half of the players there on any given night were either poker dealers or pit dealers from some other card room or casino. It was where all the degenerates went to play and hang out. I would often amass mountains of chips in that game. Every 20 minutes someone had to pay for the drink pot! I didn't play a ton of hands, so I usually got free beer lol. Almost every pot was a capped out family pot pre flop. I shit you not. It was like nothing I've ever seen before. When I hit the bad beat jackpot there, I flopped quad tens and the player in the 10 seat (games were always 10 handed late at night) had 2d5d and called 4 bets cold capped out pre flop. No one folded. The flop was TcTs4d and he called a capped flop 4 bets cold! And I was the BB and never even had to put in a bet with quads. Turn was the Ad and again, he calls a capped out turn (I still never put in a single raise with quads mind you). Only a few players folded on that turn. River was 3d and he starts jumping up and down yelling "High Hand! High Hand!" because he rivered a steel wheel which had a $500 high hand payout at the time. It was classic. I knew instantly that we hit the bad beat. I still remember that feeling. I've never held onto my cards so tight in all my life. I didn't even say a thing. I just sat there while he kept jumping up and down screaming "Hi hand". The place went crazy because the pot was so huge and everyone that was raising thought they got sucked out on by him. No one had a clue that I even had a real hand. Once they all calmed down, which took a long ass time, I said, "Oh, it gets better than that!" And I just rolled over my hand. 4 or 5 players literally jumped from their seats, chips fell over, everyone started screaming and running all over the place! This place was crazy! Like actually fucking crazy! Unfortunately it was only a 14k jackpot because it was the third backup bad beat jackpot because it had already gotten hit twice in that same month! So crazy. I still got 7k though, so that was cool. Most bad beat jackpots are between 100k-150k. I'm probably the luckiest & most unlucky guy I know, both at the same time lol.

I also played my first hand of Omaha Hi-Lo there, got my first Royal Flush there in both Omaha and Holdem. Oh, and I got a BJ in the bathroom stall there too, lol. Good times, good times.

There were probably a lot of reds and blacks that never got put into play though. Well... relative to how many were ever made. Not many were. I'd guess there are fewer than 1000 blacks even in existence. And probably only a couple thousand reds, if that.



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Great writeup, Rainman! No wonder you have such attachment to these chips.

Here is a picture of a shiny brass CIC with a used patina CIC at the California Grand Casino that I was playing last night.
 

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Nice write up.

On the Bad beat, was there never any issue with the guy announcing high hand before you had showed. I thought that type of talk could void the jackpot? Im not really familiar with how Bad beats work on Limit tables. Does it need to be heads up, and do you need to get all the money in?
 
(and I went on to play cards full time for over a decade after I left there. I've played just about everywhere in the western US - and no other games even come close to the action there).
You're no longer invited to our home games hahaha
 
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You're no longer invited to our home games hahaha

Hahaha, no worries. I've had to be full time dealer at many a home games in my life. You definitely don't want me there if you guys are playing limit games or HORSE games. I'm a very strong limit holdem, Stud and O8 player. But if you're playing NLHE I'm fair game. I never really played NL when I was playing full time for a living.
 
I thought I'd update this thread since I decided to try to polish some of these now that I have a bit more time to play with my chips. They clean up really nicely, even the corroded looking ones. I grabbed a couple of chips with heavier patina and tried to see if they'd clean up. It just took a small drop of brasso and a few seconds with a paper towel to achieve these before and after results...

Before Brasso vs After Brasso...



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