1,000 chip breakdown for cash + tourney set (2 Viewers)

[salimoneus]

So I'm strongly leaning towards a ~1000 chip Boardwalk set, to cover both a micro cash (.25/.50 NL or maybe $1/$2 NL max) as well as a tourney set (25 - 20k?). I would either do the whole thing in 43mm, or just the lower cash denoms in 39mm (.25, $1, $5), so the $25 and $100 chips could do double duty in either set. Would like to be able to cover up to two tables (16 players) for both games if at all possible.

I've done some searching but didn't come across anything that quite matched this, and my head starts to hurt when I think about what to do with the extra chips considering being able to use the $25 and $100 chips in either set, the possible starting stacks, etc. I would like to do deep stack tournies once in a while as well.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Everyone will tell you to get 2 separate sets. One dedicated for cash and one dedicated for tournaments. You don't want a few T25 chips finding rheir way onto the cash game table as $25!!!

And besides that, it is really going to be next to impossible to cover the stakes you want for two tables with only 1000 chips.

 

[BGinGA]

Using $20 for cash and $25 for tourney solves that problem. You can easily construct a single-table cash set with 600 chips, and a single-table tourney set with 300 or 400 chips. Two tables of each with 1000 chips? No way, unless you stick with .25c/$1/$5/$25 denominations for tourney chips.

 

[Rhodeman77]

But he wants enough for two tables. Single table can be done with 1k worth of chips for sure.

 

[BGinGA]

Ninja editor strikes again.

 

[salimoneus]

Everyone will tell you to get 2 separate sets. One dedicated for cash and one dedicated for tournaments. You don't want a few T25 chips finding rheir way onto the cash game table as $25!!!

And besides that, it is really going to be next to impossible to cover the stakes you want for two tables with only 1000 chips.

More realistic would be a single table cash game, and a two table tourney, if that would help make it more possible.

 

[BGinGA]

You could probably do it, but it would be a significant compromise and a crappy breakdown.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Would like to be able to cover up to two tables (16 players) for both games if at all possible.

It might be doable for a two-table tourney set plus a one-table cash set, with the thinking being to run a two-table tourney, with a cash game on the second table once half the people are knocked out... but it's more doable if you forget the $1/$2 game, and just make this a micro set. (25c/25c, 25c/50c, short-handed 50c/$1.) If you and your crew find yourselves with the money to risk several $1/$2 buy-ins per night on a cash game (a couple buy-ins of $200), then you'll have enough money to get more chips for your cash game.

Otherwise, it's just stretching too far, unless you have chips do "double duty," as you call it - but that's not recommended. You don't want the "throw-away" chip in your tournament to be a high-value chip in your cash game. All you need is someone to rathole a couple of T25 chips during the tourney and bring them up during the cash game, and your cash box is off by a stunning amount of money. And before you think everyone you know is trustworthy, the old hands will remind you: over the coming months/years, various people will bring "someone they know" or "a friend from work," etc. Promoting and maintaining a home game is its own job, so you'll be grateful for people bringing in new players, but there's always a risk... Don't set yourself up for a future problem.

 

[Psypher1000]

More realistic would be a single table cash game, and a two table tourney, if that would help make it more possible.

With only 1k chips, I can't honestly recommend anything to fit that bill (assuming your cash game plays 8-10 players...if it plays 5-6 then maybe). I can get you there with 1100 chips - 600 tourney and 500 cash - but I'd really recommend 600 of each.

If you're interested in bumping your order up a bit, let me know and I'll post some breakdowns. Otherwise, I wish you well on your search. Hopefully others will have recommendations that suit your needs

 

[Rhodeman77]

For 1k chips I would focus on just the tournament set. You can build a great set that will work for 2 full tables with options for add-ons or rebuys or larger starting stacks.

Later on when the budget allows pick up a separate cash game set.

 

[salimoneus]

It might be doable for a two-table tourney set plus a one-table cash set, with the thinking being to run a two-table tourney, with a cash game on the second table once half the people are knocked out... but it's more doable if you forget the $1/$2 game, and just make this a micro set. (25c/25c, 25c/50c, short-handed 50c/$1.) If you and your crew find yourselves with the money to risk several $1/$2 buy-ins per night on a cash game (a couple buy-ins of $200), then you'll have enough money to get more chips for your cash game.

Otherwise, it's just stretching too far, unless you have chips do "double duty," as you call it - but that's not recommended. You don't want the "throw-away" chip in your tournament to be a high-value chip in your cash game. All you need is someone to rathole a couple of T25 chips during the tourney and bring them up during the cash game, and your cash box is off by a stunning amount of money. And before you think everyone you know is trustworthy, the old hands will remind you: over the coming months/years, various people will bring "someone they know" or "a friend from work," etc. Promoting and maintaining a home game is its own job, so you'll be grateful for people bringing in new players, but there's always a risk... Don't set yourself up for a future problem.

I was not thinking that there would be a cash game and a tourney going simultaneously, so having some chips being able to be used in either game didn't seem like much of an issue.

And even if that were the case, I guess I could just make sure that a cash game was not started until all the "double duty" chips were removed from tourney play.

 

[CdnBeerLover]

If you do not want rebuys in the tournament, you could do the following

Cash - 400 chips
$0.25 x 125
$1 x 125
$5 x 125
$20 x 25
Total bank : $1281.25

You could have the first 15 players use 8 x $0.25 and 8 x $1 as part of their buyins. The rest would use the $5+ chips and up for buyins and rebuys, and make change at the table. Overall, it may be short for a 16 player game, though (excuse to buy $100 plaques from a vendor if the game grows? ) It depends on what your typical game would be. Our cash games are small, so perhaps my experience here doesn't apply to yours. But I'd have to believe that's small for 1/2 NL. How large does the cash game get?

Tournament (10k) - 600 chips
T25 x 150
T100 x 150
T500 x 125
T1000 x 125
T5000 x 50

Will handle up to 18 players with an 8 / 8 / 6 / 6 starting stack, and there would be some T500s (17), T1000s (17), and T5000s (50) for colour-ups. If you wanted rebuys, you could go with the 2xT5000, but that would reduce the number of those available for colour-ups. If you have 16 players, though, you essentially have two starting stacks in reserve that could be used for the first two rebuys. Deep-stack (20k+) would be tight if not impossible.

Still, it's a total of 1000 chips with no overlap. But it's a set with compromises. Two separate sets is (likely) better.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Total bank : $1062.50
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Our cash games are small, so perhaps my experience here doesn't apply to yours. But I'd have to believe that's small for 1/2 NL.

$1065.50 isn't small, it's tiny.

Rough guideline: typical cash-game buy-in is 100 bb to 150 bb. For a $1/$2 game, that's least $200-$300 per person. Eight players is at least $1600 before any rebuys.

$1065.50 is ample for a 25c/25c game. It's good for a 25c/50c game, too - typical $50 to $75 buy-in times eight people, plus a couple rebuys for most of the table. If the game runs deep, cash (or plaques) play.

I like to have bank for at least four buy-ins per player, average. In reality, a couple of people are ahead all night and only buy for 100 bb or 150 bb, but the losers will often rebuy, and many will be doubling up when they rebuy. (Case in point, a week ago in my 25c bb game, I bought in for $40, topped up $20 to $60, then re-bought for another $60, then re-bought for another $100. I was in the game for $220, which is 880 bb. That's like 8.8 standard 100 bb buy-ins. It's unusually deep for me, but it's not crazy-town - there are 25c games that run deeper on a regular basis.)

 

[CdnBeerLover]

My bank was off a bit...I've updated the total. Still tiny by 1/2 standards, though.

 

[salimoneus]

With only 1k chips, I can't honestly recommend anything to fit that bill (assuming your cash game plays 8-10 players...if it plays 5-6 then maybe). I can get you there with 1100 chips - 600 tourney and 500 cash - but I'd really recommend 600 of each.

If you're interested in bumping your order up a bit, let me know and I'll post some breakdowns. Otherwise, I wish you well on your search. Hopefully others will have recommendations that suit your needs

Yea I could possibly swing 1100 or 1200 total, would appreciate any input there.

 

[salimoneus]

My bank was off a bit...I've updated the total. Still tiny by 1/2 standards, though.

I'd be okay dropping the cash down to .25/.50 as well

 

[BGinGA]

Any decent T25-base 2-table tourney set is going to require at least 730 chips, which doesn't leave enough room to buy chips to support a 2-table cash set, even at just 25c/50c.

Best bet for a small workable 2-table tourney set is a T5-base set, using four denominations totaling 552 chips: 200xT5, 200xT25,140xT100,12xT500.

A two-table 25c/50c (or 50c/$1) game is going to require the following ($5825 bank):
200 x 25c
400 x $1
200 x $5
75 x $25
25 x $100
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900 total, or another 600 chips on top (with the $5/$25/$100 chips seeing dual-usage, which is NOT recommended). That brings your total chip set up to 1152.

Probably would need more $5 chips for a 50c/$1 game.

 

[salimoneus]

Dang, it sounds like I'll still be stretching things too much to try and cover a 2-table tourney and just a single table cash game. I'd also prefer a T25 base tourney over T5, which results in even less dual use chips.

So a single table .25/.50 and single table T25 base tourney would be pretty reasonable with 1k total chips? As someone suggested, at that point it would make sense to go with a $20 cash chip and $25 tourney chip, since that would be the only potential dual use value, and being the highest/lowest denom in either game I think those would be needed in lower quantities anyway so not really much savings.

 

[Mental Nomad]

That was a 2-table cash game breakdown. I think you can do a minimalist 1-table 8-player cash game just fine at 25c/50c fine with:

75 x 25c
175 x $1
125 x $5
50 x $20

450 chips, $1825 bank. (I'd want $1600 minimum - at 8 players, 25c/50c, four buy-ins of $50, that's $200 per person). Definitely minimalist, but definitely playable for 25c/25c or 25c/50c.

Going dual-use with a T25 would only save you 50 chips or so, and is probably not worth it.

If you're short-handed and the group is tight, you can get away with this set for 50c/$1... but if you really want to start playing $1 games, I'd suggest adding a few $100 plaques and the bank will balloon. Or ask another member to part with a few $100 chips - probably lots of people ordering 25 of them that will never need all 25, or who can otherwise spare 5 or 10 of them. Remember, just 10 x $100 chips or plaques gives you as much bank as as another 200 x $5.

 

[BGinGA]

prefer a T25 base tourney over T5, which results in even less dual use chips.

It's not only fewer dual-purpose chips, but it's also more tourney chips required in general, for two reasons: 1) starting stacks are larger for 25/100 denoms (12 each) than for 5/25 denoms (10 each), and 2) the 2x jump between 500 and 1000 means more top-end chips are required (vs the 500 in a 5/25/100/500 lineup). You'd be better off going baller with a 500/1000/5000/25000 set, which you can do with only 400 chips (100 of each denom).... leaving a bunch free for the cash set.

 

[Psypher1000]

Yea I could possibly swing 1100 or 1200 total, would appreciate any input there.

Tournament Set
600 chips

160x T25
160x T100
80x T500
140x T1000
60x T5000

Supports up to 20 players at T10k w/starting stacks of 8/8/4/7, plus a rebuy for every player and sufficient 5k's for color-ups. Also allows you to go deep stack with a smaller field if you'd like (in which case you can also tweak the starting stacks to your preference).


Cash Set
600 chips
100x 25c
200x $1
200x $5
60x $20
40x $100

Will support 25c/25c, 25c/50c, or 50c/$1 with a full ring table, although you may find yourself making change a bit more on a 50c/$1 game. You could also cut the cash set down to 500 chips if necessary. It would still get the job done, but I'd recommend the full 600pc set if you can afford it.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Tournament Set
600 chips

160x T25
160x T100
80x T500
140x T1000
60x T5000

Supports up to 20 players at T10k w/starting stacks of 8/8/4/7, plus a rebuy for every player and sufficient 5k's for color-ups. Also allows you to go deep stack with a smaller field if you'd like (in which case you can also tweak the starting stacks to your preference).


Cash Set
600 chips
100x 25c
200x $1
200x $5
60x $20
40x $100

Will support 25c/25c, 25c/50c, or 50c/$1 with a full ring table, although you may find yourself making change a bit more on a 50c/$1 game. You could also cut the cash set down to 500 chips if necessary. It would still get the job done, but I'd recommend the full 600pc set if you can afford it.

Great break down suggestion to fit the parameters given. But he needs to buy in multiples of 25 for the group buy unless he plans on buying a bunch of sample sets.

 

[PaulsonCollector]

It Really depends on your group. Last week I've been in a NL20 game in which everyone bought in at least for 50 bucks(250BB). The game was very deep with guys going in for 750BB right from the start and doing even rebuys. I think there were more than 1500 bucks on the table, so 7500BB. If you're game goes that big from time to time, you're screwed with that tiny set and be better of to buy just one specific set for the beginning.

 

[Psypher1000]

Great break down suggestion to fit the parameters given. But he needs to buy in multiples of 25 for the group buy

You're not wrong. Them's the breaks. My guess is he'd have no problem selling the overage as a single lot (although possibly at a slight loss).

 

[BGinGA]

Great break down suggestion to fit the parameters given. But he needs to buy in multiples of 25 for the group buy unless he plans on buying a bunch of sample sets.

Chips can be purchased in lots of 5 per denom through the sample set thread. Shipped with the sample sets though, not with the main gb orders

 

[salimoneus]

That was a 2-table cash game breakdown. I think you can do a minimalist 1-table 8-player cash game just fine at 25c/50c fine with:

75 x 25c
175 x $1
125 x $5
50 x $20

450 chips, $1825 bank. (I'd want $1600 minimum - at 8 players, 25c/50c, four buy-ins of $50, that's $200 per person). Definitely minimalist, but definitely playable for 25c/25c or 25c/50c.

I like this cash breakdown, I was leaning towards shorting the quarters and going larger on the dollars like you have done, just seems to work better and put the higher counts on the chips that see the most use.

That leaves me with a 550 tourney chip set, which I guess I could even squeeze two tables out of that at 8/8/4/7, maybe something like the following?

150 x T25
150 x T100
75 x T500
150 x T1000
25 x T5000


If I wanted to add an extra 100 or 200, where might I benefit the most?

 

[BSteck]

If I wanted to add an extra 100 or 200, where might I benefit the most?

For the cash maybe more $5 in case your game gets bigger?

For the tourney do you want bigger starting stacks or the ability to handle more players?

 

[upNdown]

For the cash maybe more $5 in case your game gets bigger?

Since its for a .25/.50 game, I'd suggest getting a full rack of quarters and two full racks of $1.00's before you start buying more $5.00's. (Unless your players are gonna be buying in for a hundred bucks at a time.)

 

[BGinGA]

Best advice I can give you is do it right, or don't bother doing it at all. Personally, nothing pisses me off more than struggling with an inadequate chip set that ~could~ have been set up properly from the git-go. The only regrets I have are for chips not purchased. I've never said, "gee, i wish I'd bought fewer of these....".

 

[Mental Nomad]

The only regrets I have are for chips not purchased. I've never said, "gee, i wish I'd bought fewer of these....".

Very true.

And when I've thought, "I have more of these than I really need..." I've always been able to sell them without a loss. So, zero regrets.