1/3 Advice (3 Viewers)

[wahoowa]

I am having some real trouble adjusting to playing 1/3 at my local casino and was wondering what others that frequently play the low stakes think. I know my hand ranges pretty well, I don't have the chart memorized but I know decent pairs + AK in EP, suited connectors, suited big cards and as low as K9/K8o in button but I'm having an issue with opening sizes. I was playing 1/3 last night and there was not really a standard open at the table, anywhere from 15 to 25 RFI was pretty normal but the players did not seem to respect an initial raise at all depending on how they were feeling I guess. For example I had AQs from UTG+1 and open to $20, I get 3 callers and the flop runs out disconnected rainbow something like 36A and I hit top pair pretty good kicker. I make it $25 and both call. Turn is an 8 and I'm still feeling pretty good and go ahead and make it $75 and get 1 caller. Not feeling great now as I feel like I'm up against a set, river comes something irrelevant no straights or flushes make it and I go ahead and check thinking I'm probably up against at least a weak ace but more than likely a set and villain makes it $30.I'm baffled at the sizing and assume a weak ace but I don't really know what to think at this point when he calls the turn so I just call and get shown..... 83o

He laughed when I tabled the AQ, I was a little shocked and asked why he played that and he just said "I was feeling lucky." Do you just get up and leave these tables? Other times I've played in this room the table seemed to be playing some form of poker but these guys were just gambling. Is there an exploit here I'm missing? Obviously if I have the nuts I should be able to stack people playing like this but it was certainly frustrating. Anyone in a similar boat?

 

[trever]

Never ever leave this table.

 

[wahoowa]

Never ever leave this table.

Yeah I get what you're saying and that was my initial cool off thought too. I did win a decent amount of pots with tptk against tpnk but I seemed to lose an equal amount against a random 2 pair. Do you just stick to a very linear range or raise even higher to $30 or $35 to fold out the real garbage?

 

[JustinInMN]

Never ever leave this table.

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[NotRealNameNoSir]

The exploit is that their range is immense, play tight and value bet. He got lucky and hit two pair when you had top pair top kicker. Zoom out, how many hands are you just taking $20 from preflop? Take a deep breath, smile about it and lose $30 on the river, knowing you might've called a bigger size.

This hand prints money, you just got shown a better one this time, it happens. Are you properly rolled for live $1/3, how much money are you comfortable playing/losing? Hands like this will happen but you as a player need to know that poker's about incomplete information, he's proving he'll call large sizes preflop with dogshit hands, rejoice.

Sometimes there's no standard raise size preflop, because half the table has inelastic ranges meaning they'll call no matter if its $8, $15, $20, and ignore the number of calls or limps ahead of them. Its wonderful. In your case, you know they play weird hands in weird ways, I'd bet higher than $25. $80ish in the middle and you've got top pair, bet $40 to charge their weird middle pairs and straight draws, they'll pay it and usually miss.

 

[Frogzilla]

1) be more ready/comfortable with multi-way strategies

2) be more comfortable with large ranges

3) be aware/observant to player unbalances and adjust

4) don’t berate opponents (like asking why did you play 83o)

Hand you quoted was played fine other than you berated the player at the end

 

[allforcharity]

4) don’t berate opponents (like asking why did you play 83o)

Hand you quoted was played fine other than you berated the player at the end

But...but...but...this is standard Phil Helmuth strategy!

 

[jamesjkim]

My guess is most of the flatters are regs and may be those that regularly play the 2/5 game. I’ve run into similar and most of the time it’s a profitable table. They just got lucky in this particular hand.

 

[wahoowa]

1) be more ready/comfortable with multi-way strategies

2) be more comfortable with large ranges

3) be aware/observant to player unbalances and adjust

4) don’t berate opponents (like asking why did you play 83o)

Hand you quoted was played fine other than you berated the player at the end

Oh yeah I know treat your customer right. I didn't say it negatively I was more genuinely confused and phrased it more like a "you played 83 off?"

 

[Legend5555]

Bluff basically never.

Value bet aggressively. (I would have value bet this river and gotten owned, but the up side is they would never raise you here.)

Treat 3 bets from these types like it's always QQ+, and only sometimes AK.

Generally assume check raises on the turn are the nuts. Generally assume check raises on the flop beat one pair and at worst are a 12 out draw.

Don't check rivers OOP if you have value. These people will check behind even with stuff like AK on K7289 because they don't want to run into two pair or a straight. But they will call with this to a bet of almost any size.

I could go on. But this should help.

 

[bergs]

1/3 advise:

Whatever you do, never, ever….

(you didn’t ask for the other 2/3)

 

[gaberr]

Bet when you hit.
Fold when you miss.
Don't bluff.
Leave with profit.
No, 'one more hand' hands when you think it, just up and go.

 

[demonnic]

Yeah, 1/3 live you can pretty much print money with some basic TAG play and always folding any time they give a little speech, raise big, etc. Most of the players at these stakes are not tricky and play their hands fairly face up. They also tend to be pretty sticky, so as mentioned do NOT bluff and DO bet for thin value. How thin depends on how well you're reading their hands that night, imo. But at those stakes almost all of my profit comes from value betting and very little from bluffs (apart from blind stealing, depending on the table/folks to my left).

 

[JustinInMN]

Oh yeah I know treat your customer right. I didn't say it negatively I was more genuinely confused and phrased it more like a "you played 83 off?"

You are still "tapping the glass" by asking the question at all.

 

[Highli99]

When you get beat with hands like 83, I recommend laughing and saying something like “haha, wow, you got me good!”, or even, “nicely played! You really got me good on that river, sized it just right.”

And never leave that game.

 

[ontheriver51]

Never leave this table is correct advice given a few things:
1) you have the bankroll to support higher variance and can rebuy when one of the maniacs stacks you after you flop a set and their middle pair backs into a flush they didn’t know they were drawing to
2) you can handle the swings mentally without tilting - not trying to bash you here, but complaining about a donkey hitting 2 pair and only taking $30 on the river leads me to believe these things may tilt you quite a bit. This can be very dangerous
3) you have an understanding about how to beat these maniacs. As played in this hand, you should just be happy you lost the minimum. He wasn’t folding to a bigger size on flop and you’re lucky no extra money went in after you bet $75. These players are pretty insane, but they aren’t out right dumb. They watch you play and they know you are playing strong hands. Beating them takes a decent number of hands, a lot of patience, and a bit of finesse


No one on the planet can make more money faster in a poker game than a drunk guy running on the sun

 

[AutoDonk5000]

Given inelastic ranges you can probably actually bet a little more with premium premium hands and people won't notice.

Given the inability to iso raise, tighten up from all positions. Stop playing K9o even on the button. KTo would be my minimum off suit 1 gapper.

Remember, even with the range advantage you won't win multiway pots most of the time. That's just the math of it. Luckily, when you do win there will be an awful lot more money in the pot for you and you will often be dominating your opponents with better kickers, pairs, sets, straights ect

If people can't fold, don't bluff. The exception being the miracle heads up situation or a good read. River bluffs will work better than flop bluffs because there are no more cards to catch.

Don't pick up the shit habits of regular low limit players, over limping, over cold calling ect. Easier said than done but do your best to base your play on study, logic, and math.

The first thing to study and understand is why you should never ever be leaving this table unless you can't handle losing a few buy ins. Know it in your bones. Poor play should make you smile, not want to give up.

 

[AutoDonk5000]

When you get beat with hands like 83, I recommend laughing and saying something like “haha, wow, you got me good!”, or even, “nicely played! You really got me good on that river, sized it just right.”

And never leave that game.

I feel like my highest frequency lies in life are exactly this, endorsing or rewarding poor play at a poker table. I also like to endorse fatalistic thinking, gamblers fallacy, and all sorts of terrible poker advice I hear at the poker table. No need to oversell it. A simple nod or repeating back whatever crap justification someone makes goes a long way in maintaining their unskilled behaviors.

In regular life I'm exceptionally honest IMO, to a fault maybe. Poker is my "evil valve"

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I feel like my highest frequency lies in life are exactly this, endorsing or rewarding poor play at a poker table. I also like to endorse fatalistic thinking, gamblers fallacy, and all sorts of terrible poker advice I hear at the poker table. No need to oversell it. A simple nod or repeating back whatever crap justification someone makes goes a long way in maintaining their unskilled behaviors.

In regular life I'm exceptionally honest IMO, to a fault maybe. Poker is my "evil valve"

"I can never put you on a hand! You're a wild man, so tough to read, WILD CARD!" lol

 

[Highli99]

I feel like my highest frequency lies in life are exactly this, endorsing or rewarding poor play at a poker table. I also like to endorse fatalistic thinking, gamblers fallacy, and all sorts of terrible poker advice I hear at the poker table. No need to oversell it. A simple nod or repeating back whatever crap justification someone makes goes a long way in maintaining their unskilled behaviors.

In regular life I'm exceptionally honest IMO, to a fault maybe. Poker is my "evil valve"

Poker is my valve for a lot of things!