1/3 Advice (1 Viewer)

[wahoowa]

I am having some real trouble adjusting to playing 1/3 at my local casino and was wondering what others that frequently play the low stakes think. I know my hand ranges pretty well, I don't have the chart memorized but I know decent pairs + AK in EP, suited connectors, suited big cards and as low as K9/K8o in button but I'm having an issue with opening sizes. I was playing 1/3 last night and there was not really a standard open at the table, anywhere from 15 to 25 RFI was pretty normal but the players did not seem to respect an initial raise at all depending on how they were feeling I guess. For example I had AQs from UTG+1 and open to $20, I get 3 callers and the flop runs out disconnected rainbow something like 36A and I hit top pair pretty good kicker. I make it $25 and both call. Turn is an 8 and I'm still feeling pretty good and go ahead and make it $75 and get 1 caller. Not feeling great now as I feel like I'm up against a set, river comes something irrelevant no straights or flushes make it and I go ahead and check thinking I'm probably up against at least a weak ace but more than likely a set and villain makes it $30.I'm baffled at the sizing and assume a weak ace but I don't really know what to think at this point when he calls the turn so I just call and get shown..... 83o

He laughed when I tabled the AQ, I was a little shocked and asked why he played that and he just said "I was feeling lucky." Do you just get up and leave these tables? Other times I've played in this room the table seemed to be playing some form of poker but these guys were just gambling. Is there an exploit here I'm missing? Obviously if I have the nuts I should be able to stack people playing like this but it was certainly frustrating. Anyone in a similar boat?

 

[trever]

Never ever leave this table.

 

[wahoowa]

Never ever leave this table.

Yeah I get what you're saying and that was my initial cool off thought too. I did win a decent amount of pots with tptk against tpnk but I seemed to lose an equal amount against a random 2 pair. Do you just stick to a very linear range or raise even higher to $30 or $35 to fold out the real garbage?

 

[JustinInMN]

Never ever leave this table.

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[NotRealNameNoSir]

The exploit is that their range is immense, play tight and value bet. He got lucky and hit two pair when you had top pair top kicker. Zoom out, how many hands are you just taking $20 from preflop? Take a deep breath, smile about it and lose $30 on the river, knowing you might've called a bigger size.

This hand prints money, you just got shown a better one this time, it happens. Are you properly rolled for live $1/3, how much money are you comfortable playing/losing? Hands like this will happen but you as a player need to know that poker's about incomplete information, he's proving he'll call large sizes preflop with dogshit hands, rejoice.

Sometimes there's no standard raise size preflop, because half the table has inelastic ranges meaning they'll call no matter if its $8, $15, $20, and ignore the number of calls or limps ahead of them. Its wonderful. In your case, you know they play weird hands in weird ways, I'd bet higher than $25. $80ish in the middle and you've got top pair, bet $40 to charge their weird middle pairs and straight draws, they'll pay it and usually miss.

 

[Frogzilla]

1) be more ready/comfortable with multi-way strategies

2) be more comfortable with large ranges

3) be aware/observant to player unbalances and adjust

4) don’t berate opponents (like asking why did you play 83o)

Hand you quoted was played fine other than you berated the player at the end

 

[allforcharity]

4) don’t berate opponents (like asking why did you play 83o)

Hand you quoted was played fine other than you berated the player at the end

But...but...but...this is standard Phil Helmuth strategy!

 

[jamesjkim]

My guess is most of the flatters are regs and may be those that regularly play the 2/5 game. I’ve run into similar and most of the time it’s a profitable table. They just got lucky in this particular hand.

 

[wahoowa]

1) be more ready/comfortable with multi-way strategies

2) be more comfortable with large ranges

3) be aware/observant to player unbalances and adjust

4) don’t berate opponents (like asking why did you play 83o)

Hand you quoted was played fine other than you berated the player at the end

Oh yeah I know treat your customer right. I didn't say it negatively I was more genuinely confused and phrased it more like a "you played 83 off?"

 

[Legend5555]

Bluff basically never.

Value bet aggressively. (I would have value bet this river and gotten owned, but the up side is they would never raise you here.)

Treat 3 bets from these types like it's always QQ+, and only sometimes AK.

Generally assume check raises on the turn are the nuts. Generally assume check raises on the flop beat one pair and at worst are a 12 out draw.

Don't check rivers OOP if you have value. These people will check behind even with stuff like AK on K7289 because they don't want to run into two pair or a straight. But they will call with this to a bet of almost any size.

I could go on. But this should help.

 

[bergs]

1/3 advise:

Whatever you do, never, ever….

(you didn’t ask for the other 2/3)

 

[gaberr]

Bet when you hit.
Fold when you miss.
Don't bluff.
Leave with profit.
No, 'one more hand' hands when you think it, just up and go.

 

[demonnic]

Yeah, 1/3 live you can pretty much print money with some basic TAG play and always folding any time they give a little speech, raise big, etc. Most of the players at these stakes are not tricky and play their hands fairly face up. They also tend to be pretty sticky, so as mentioned do NOT bluff and DO bet for thin value. How thin depends on how well you're reading their hands that night, imo. But at those stakes almost all of my profit comes from value betting and very little from bluffs (apart from blind stealing, depending on the table/folks to my left).

 

[JustinInMN]

Oh yeah I know treat your customer right. I didn't say it negatively I was more genuinely confused and phrased it more like a "you played 83 off?"

You are still "tapping the glass" by asking the question at all.

 

[Highli99]

When you get beat with hands like 83, I recommend laughing and saying something like “haha, wow, you got me good!”, or even, “nicely played! You really got me good on that river, sized it just right.”

And never leave that game.