2000 tournament chip (2 Viewers)

[guyfleegman]

Let’s revisit this.
Under what circumstances do you prefer T500-T2000 rather than
T500-T1000-T5000??
I am in the fence about making a T2000 chip for my T5 based set.

Let me have all you wish to share.
Do you currently use a 2000?
In what format?
Do you regret going that route?
How many in your breakdown?
Feel free to post pron as well!

Thank in advance,
Joe

 

[Sprouty]

How many tables are you gonna be running and what are your starting stack gonna be?

 

[guyfleegman]

That’s the essence of the thread...
I can run a T5 base:
10-10-7-X

Or a T25 base:
8-8-6-3(2k)
8-8-4-7(1k)
12-12-9-2(2k)
12-12-5-6(1k)

1 table or 2 although most nights would be STT.

 

[Lars]

2K is the best way! In my opinion it makes a set flow well and is an efficient way to build a set. I will attach some pictures of mine later if I get a minute.

 

[allforcharity]

If you already have 1 tourney set that is 500-1000-5000, then make your next one 500-2000-10000. Spread the denom love.

 

[Sprouty]

That info changes things a bit. I don't think there is much need for a 2k chip for a two table t5 based tourney.

But if you are looking to do a t25 based tourney that is a different question where I don't have much experience.aybe someone else can chime in.

In a t5 based two table set I would prefer a 1k chip.
20 people starting with 2k a piece you will have 40k in play, or 40 1k chips if all colored up. Not sure how rebuys work for you or your players but for me I like to have a complete rebuy for each player if needed even though seeing 50% of the participants rebuy is unlikely. At half the field rebuying we are talking 60k on the table or 60 t1k chips.

With that being said I think counting 1k chips would be easier for players than throwing in a 2k chip. I would consider a 2k chip for a t5 based set if you have 3 or 4 tables with deeper stacks.

 

[BGinGA]

Under what circumstances do you prefer T500-T2000 rather than
T500-T1000-T5000?

For starting stacks of T20K or larger, with 20+ players. The larger the stacks/fields, the better it works -- imo, it works best with at least a 1/2-million chips in play (20 players x T25K stacks, etc.). For smaller fields and/or smaller stacks, it doesn't work nearly as well as T500-T1000, and I don't think it works well for a T5-base set at all.

I am in the fence about making a T2000 chip for my T5 based set.

You don't need a chip larger than T500 for most T5-base sets. A 10-player set with T2000 starting stacks (200bb) will end before the T100 chips are no longer needed. Even with 20 players and T3000 stacks (300bb), you'll never need more than 14x T1000 chips (or 7x T2000), used to color-up the T100s -- and that event will typically end no later than the 1500/3000 blind level.

Do you currently use a 2000?
In what format?
Do you regret going that route?
How many in your breakdown?

- Yes.
- T25-base tournaments.
- No.
- 12/12/9/7 for 20K starting stacks. T2000 chips are used to color-up T25/T100 chips and for re-buys. The 900-chip set includes 100x T2000 chips. Because the T500 is more important in a T2000 set (vs a T1000 set), you'll want at least 8 or 9 T500 chips in the starting stacks..... and they will remain in play much longer.

@Mr Tree has a large 30-player T25-base tournament set that utilizes T2000 and T10000 chips., but I dunno his specific T2000 count. @ChaosRock also has some large T2000 tournament sets.

A little light reading on the subject, including suggestions for T2000 chip design parameters:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/help-me-find-the-perfect-t2000.46868/post-873385
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...t100-t500-t2000-t10000-sets.38197/post-705396
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/has-the-t2-000-chip-fallen-out-of-favor.28932/post-536211

 

[guyfleegman]

Using a T2000 chip actually requires MOAR T500 chips be used. In many sets, it is often a great-looking chip that gets sparingly used due to the inefficiency of the T500-T1000 progression.

My main reason for even considering a 2k chip:

I can definitely run a t25 based set.

I can probably only muster 9 $500’s per stack
AND only for a single table. I just can’t imagine ever getting another rack of my Favorite chip to make this 2 tables.
So:
20k starting stacks.
12-12-9-7
I would need 2x500’s and 1x2000 to color up the 25’s and 6x2000’s to color up the 100’s
STT set is:
120
120
92(100)
77(80)
Seems like
12-12-5-6-2(5000) makes more sense for STT T20k
The other consideration is that I plan to occasionally play the chips as a “divide by 100” set and the 2000 chip would act as the $20.
Perhaps that is reason enough for making a barrel of “$20’s” for my low stakes set.

 

[BGinGA]

12-12-5-6-2(5000) makes more sense for STT T20k

Correct. And I agree with your 'barrel of $20s idea.

 

[guyfleegman]

Correct. And I agree with your 'barrel of $20s idea.

That answers my inquiry perfectly.
A barrel of “$20’s” it is!

 

[PlaidDragon]

If you already have 1 tourney set that is 500-1000-5000, then make your next one 500-2000-10000. Spread the denom love.

I'm all for uncommon denominations! One of my future ideas revolves around 2000's in a simple CPC set utilizing their basic numeric hotstamps. They'd look a lot like this:

 

[Mr Winberg]

I like having a T2000 if the biggest chip in the starting stack is T500. The reason is that when T1000 are introduced, the T500 go from being the most respected chip to a chip that's hardly used since you never need more than 1 per bet. If T2000 are introduced instead of the T1000, then the T500 are still very useful.

In my T10000 tournaments with 20/20/15 starting stacks I definitely prefer to use T2000 for color-ups because of the reason above.

My 0.02

 

[Mr Tree]

For starting stacks of T20K or larger, with 20+ players. The larger the stacks/fields, the better it works -- imo, it works best with at least a 1/2-million chips in play (20 players x T25K stacks, etc.). For smaller fields and/or smaller stacks, it doesn't work nearly as well as T500-T1000, and I don't think it works well for a T5-base set at all.


You don't need a chip larger than T500 for most T5-base sets. A 10-player set with T2000 starting stacks (200bb) will end before the T100 chips are no longer needed. Even with 20 players and T3000 stacks (300bb), you'll never need more than 14x T1000 chips (or 7x T2000), used to color-up the T100s -- and that event will typically end no later than the 1500/3000 blind level.


- Yes.
- T25-base tournaments.
- No.
- 12/12/9/7 for 20K starting stacks. T2000 chips are used to color-up T25/T100 chips and for re-buys. The 900-chip set includes 100x T2000 chips. Because the T500 is more important in a T2000 set (vs a T1000 set), you'll want at least 8 or 9 T500 chips in the starting stacks..... and they will remain in play much longer.

@Mr Tree has a large 30-player T25-base tournament set that utilizes T2000 and T10000 chips., but I dunno his specific T2000 count. @ChaosRock also has some large T2000 tournament sets.

A little light reading on the subject, including suggestions for T2000 chip design parameters:
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/help-me-find-the-perfect-t2000.46868/post-873385
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...t100-t500-t2000-t10000-sets.38197/post-705396
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/has-the-t2-000-chip-fallen-out-of-favor.28932/post-536211

I didn’t update my count for the add on I did last year to do T15K tournaments with a reload but here is what my chip count originally was to support T10k tournaments.


T25 - 409
T100 - 406
T500 - 211
T2000 - 173
T10000 - 44

 

[guyfleegman]

I didn’t update my count for the add on I did last year to do T15K tournaments with a reload but here is what my chip count originally was to support T10k tournaments.


T25 - 409
T100 - 406
T500 - 211
T2000 - 173
T10000 - 44

What was/is your breakdown?

 

[Mr Tree]

What was/is your breakdown?

For starting stacks?

T10k
12/12/5/3
T15K
12/12/7/5

 

[LinkyBabe]

This thread needs more pics:

 

[guyfleegman]

Anyone up for creating art for a Casablanca $2000??

 

[guyfleegman]

There will be murder!!!

 

[guyfleegman]

 

[BGinGA]

Under what circumstances do you prefer T500-T2000 rather than
T500-T1000-T5000??

Do you currently use a 2000?
In what format?
Do you regret going that route?
How many in your breakdown?

I will be experimenting this year with a T100-base tournament set using T100-T500-T2000-T10000 chips in T30k starting stacks (10/10/7/1) using a BBA format. On paper, it looks to be a good way to effectively utilize a four-denomination set using T2000 chips with 20 players or less, although few T10k chips will be used.

 

[Frogzilla]

I will be experimenting this year with a T100-base tournament set using T100-T500-T2000-T10000 chips in T30k starting stacks (10/10/7/1) using a BBA format. On paper, it looks to be a good way to effectively utilize a four-denomination set using T2000 chips with 20 players or less, although few T10k chips will be used.

Interested in your blind progression. When I worked mine out there wasn’t a clean level after 12000/24000. Normally would do 15000/30000 but seems silly to have a small blind that requires either 3 denoms or 9+ chips. 16000/32000 is what I think I went with (and my tourneys have never got there fwiw) but don’t love that either

 

[BGinGA]

Interested in your blind progression. When I worked mine out there wasn’t a clean level after 12000/24000. Normally would do 15000/30000 but seems silly to have a small blind that requires either 3 denoms or 9+ chips. 16000/32000 is what I think I went with (and my tourneys have never got there fwiw) but don’t love that either

I need to check when I get home, but i think it is the following with only T2000 and T10000 chips remaining in play:

3000/6000
remove T500
4000/8000, 33%
6000/12000, 50%
8000/16000, 33%
10000/20000, 25%
14000/28000, 40% (15k/30k if T5k/T25k in play)
20000/40000, 43%

A T28K BB is only six chips (or three T10k chips and get change). And with just two tables and antes, I don't expect it to get past 10k/20k worst-case, so probably moot.

Table ante will equal SB amount when four players or less.

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

I will be experimenting this year with a T100-base tournament set using T100-T500-T2000-T10000 chips in T30k starting stacks (10/10/7/1) using a BBA format. On paper, it looks to be a good way to effectively utilize a four-denomination set using T2000 chips with 20 players or less, although few T10k chips will be used.

Do you think that 15/13/x/x would be overkill ?

 

[ChaosRock]

Interested in your blind progression. When I worked mine out there wasn’t a clean level after 12000/24000. Normally would do 15000/30000 but seems silly to have a small blind that requires either 3 denoms or 9+ chips. 16000/32000 is what I think I went with (and my tourneys have never got there fwiw) but don’t love that either

This is mine, for whatever it's worth. Now, playing two tables with re-buys starting stacks of 20Ks, I cap the blinds at 10K/20K instead (I do do not jump to 12K/24K). The below is theoretical for a much larger field tourney assuming there's a 50K chip as well.

 

[allforcharity]

150/300? Skip this one?

 

[LotsOfChips]

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[BGinGA]

Do you think that 15/13/x/x would be overkill ?

For T100-base 20k stacks using T2000 chips, I'd put a 10/10/7 breakdown far ahead of the other choices (ranked in this order):

1. 10/10/7
2. 10/14/6
3. 15/13/6
4. 15/9/7
5. anything else

Those rankings are based on minimum variance from preferred counts of 8 to 16 chips of the two lowest denominations per starting stack, with 12x being the mean/average/sweet-spot. Minimum 6 chips per stack of the next highest denomination, since those numbers increase via color-ups and stack consolidations as players are eliminated.

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

For T100-base 20k stacks using T2000 chips, I'd put a 10/10/7 breakdown far ahead of the other choices (ranked in this order):

1. 10/10/7
2. 10/14/6
3. 15/13/6
4. 15/9/7
5. anything else

Those rankings are based on minimum variance from preferred counts of 8 to 16 chips of the two lowest denominations per starting stack, with 12x being the mean/average/sweet-spot. Minimum 6 chips per stack of the next highest denomination, since those numbers increase via color-ups and stack consolidations as players are eliminated.

Thanks @BGinGA .

And would your answer be different (in the number of T100) if a T1000 is used instead of a T2000 ?

In fact I don't really understand why a T100 is preferred over a T5 based structure ?

Is it because bets are easier to calculate ?

Then why not just use a T1 based structure ? Probably to use +/- the same type of levels people are used I guess...

 

[BGinGA]

would your answer be different (in the number of T100) if a T1000 is used instead of a T2000 ?

No, although I don't particularly like T100-base sets that use a T500-to-T1000 progression. I'd rather use a T25-base (or T500-base) if using T1000 chips.

But if using a T100-base with T1000/T5000 chips and 20K stacks, I'd go with 10/10/9/1, 10/8/10/1, or maybe 10/10/4/2 or 10/8/5/2 if chip quantities were tight. I just think that using those extra 50 chips (10x vs 15x T100 per stack for a single table) elsewhere than the T100 slot makes better economic and game-play sense.

I don't really understand why a T100 is preferred over a T5 based structure ?

Is it because bets are easier to calculate ?

Yes, exactly. Also one of the reasons that T100-base is becoming popular vs the older 'standard' T25-base sets, plus the T100 chips remain in play much longer than T25 chips do in most T25-base set structures.

why not just use a T1 based structure ?

In my experience, (American) players dealing with bets using $1 and $5 chips have more difficulty than with those made using $100 and $500 chips. The human brain works in funny ways.

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

Thanks for all your answers. Very complete as usual !