Adding Automotive Ceramic Coat to China Clays (8 Viewers)

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I recently purchased a 1200 piece set of Bank series China Clays from Apache Poker. To complement them I wanted some 5 cent chips. I purchased some Majestic 5 cent chips. They are pretty much identical to the Bank series except a different mold and sticker. However, I was not satisfied with how they would slide against each other. They were a little ruff. They were not bad but I felt like the mold had some small high spots around the crown features. See picture after sanding and coating. I wanted to see just how perfectly smooth I could make them.

I took a piece of 800 grit sandpaper, laid it on a flat metal plate and gently rubbed the chips against the sand paper for a few seconds each side. I washed them with soap, water and a scrub brush then let them dry on a towel over night. You could not see a difference in the chip with the naked eye but the results were they were very smooth when sliding against each other. However they would stick together a bit. They would grip to each other. I tried drying them in my thermal chamber at 60C @ 12%RH for 24 hours but no change is grip. Also fyi by weight there was also no change in moisture content. I 3D printed a rack for the chips to sit on and dry

I applied Stibnite's Compression Oiling method to a stack of 20. They looked nice and felt nice however it did not help them gripping to each other. It probably made it worse.

I recently had my new car professionally ceramic coated and wow is it nice. It's very smooth and nothing sticks to it. So I purchased a very cheap but highly rated bottle of ceramic coat for $20. I assume it is far inferior to what was put on my car but for the price I thought I would give it a try.

I sanded the remaining 80 Majestic 5 cent chips, cleaned and dried them. I applied the ceramic coat with the applicator that came in the bottle. Applied it to 20 chips then wiped them with a microfiber cloth and dried them on my rack in the thermal chamber at 40C overnight. I tested a few prematurely after 30 minutes of drying and the results were just like the oiled chips.

After drying overnight I tested the chips in stacks. They were definitely better. I thought they would be slicker. I don't know just how good that $20 bottle of ceramic coating is. I think they came out just right. They no longer grip to each other but they are not slippery like a plastic chip. They are not a slippery and hard as I though they would be. They are still very much like a clay chip not a ceramic chip. They have some friction between them but not a large amount of "starting" friction. They have a more smooth and consistent friction.

I am very pleased with the results. The point was to make them smooth and have the right amount of slide or grip to each other. It does make them look nice and they will probably
I will not invest the time to do this to a whole set but for 100 to 200 chips it was worth it. I do get the irony of buying clay chips and then coating them in "ceramic".
 

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These were bought from ApachePokerChips.com. Apache says they are solid clay. I have purchased a dozen different sample sets and these feel like clay and not plastic. It is my understanding that they are what's called China Clay. They seem like the exact same material and manufactured the same as my Bank set only a different mold and inlay/label.
 
Hey Goeckerd, I didn't see an intro post. Welcome. What part of Indiana are you from? I have several different samples if you'd like to meet up at a charity game or even Shelbyville.
 
This is an interesting idea but oiling would be much faster and less labor intensive. Especially for hundreds of chips. I know automotive ceramic can be applied to wheels and windshields as well but I feel like the finished product here may be too slippery to shuffle and stack. I say this from the perspective of someone who shuffles chips daily and who has done a fair amount of car detailing by hand.
 
I love the desire to make shit better!

Thank you for taking great pics and documenting your progress. Hope it works out in the long run. Those chips look great and I bet that with more time on the table they will be like butter.

The printed racks are nice too. You are definitely dedicated!
 
I'm afraid you have much to learn, my friend, especially about material composition.
So educate me. From what I know clays are a blend of clay and plastic. Plastics are a blend usually with some clay. Some nice clays have impregnated metal dust. Beyond that I would love to learn.
 
So educate me. From what I know clays are a blend of clay and plastic. Plastics are a blend usually with some clay. Some nice clays have impregnated metal dust. Beyond that I would love to learn.

It's really about the manufacturing method as well as the material composition.

In modern manufacturing, there is really no clay in 'clay' chips. Neither is there any ceramic in 'ceramic' chips (because ceramic is just fired clay, right?). Plastics are, well, plastic (ABS, PVC, plus all sorts), which sometimes have a metallic slug to give them weight. That being said, all compositions of chips are proprietary by manufacturer, and for high end products are a fairly closely guarded secret.

What we call true 'clays' are made by compression molding, regardless of the relative amounts of organic vs. inorganic material. The newer, more vibrant colours that are available are likely representative of their plastic content, as it is easier to get consistent results compared to inorganic content. Edge spot patterns have a high degree of manual assembly involved. They are precision lathed for uniformity.

What we call ceramics and all plastic chips are formed by injection molding. You can tell by looking for the injection 'nipple' somewhere on the surface of the chip. Only the higher end manufacturers usually have a lathe finish to get rid of this spot and for uniformity, others just pop out of the mold and go.
 
'China Clay' is just a moniker that has been applied to China-sourced injection molded plastic chips that have tried, over time, and with varying success, to replicate the weight, sound, and feel of a traditionally compression molded chip. But because the material and manufacturing is different, it remains an impossible task to truly replicate.
 
It's really about the manufacturing method as well as the material composition.

In modern manufacturing, there is really no clay in 'clay' chips. Neither is there any ceramic in 'ceramic' chips (because ceramic is just fired clay, right?). Plastics are, well, plastic (ABS, PVC, plus all sorts), which sometimes have a metallic slug to give them weight. That being said, all compositions of chips are proprietary by manufacturer, and for high end products are a fairly closely guarded secret.

What we call true 'clays' are made by compression molding, regardless of the relative amounts of organic vs. inorganic material. The newer, more vibrant colours that are available are likely representative of their plastic content, as it is easier to get consistent results compared to inorganic content. Edge spot patterns have a high degree of manual assembly involved. They are precision lathed for uniformity.

What we call ceramics and all plastic chips are formed by injection molding. You can tell by looking for the injection 'nipple' somewhere on the surface of the chip. Only the higher end manufacturers usually have a lathe finish to get rid of this spot and for uniformity, others just pop out of the mold and go.
Thanks. I am interested in learning more about the injection molding process used by these chips. I am assuming the "China Clays" that have large chamfered edges have them to clean of the flashing left behind of their molding process.

Awhile back I saw some pictures of the traditional compression molding process. I think they were posted on PCF.
 
These were bought from ApachePokerChips.com. Apache says they are solid clay
Those are what commonly known as "China Clay" which is much closer to compositive plastic rather than Clay

The Clay is usually referring to Paulson Clay or CPC Clay in the community.

Apache like most mass market supplier use "Clay" as a marketing gimmick. It's a very common sales tactic marketing toward less experience buyer. Common marketing gimmick term include "Casino Grade" "Official Weight" etc

Also I like to point out while they are call "China Clay" and usually market as Close to Clay, they dont feel anything close to the Real Clay (especially the mint one)
 
They look amazing, I have a set of relatively cheep chips and have been considering doing a similar thing but had concerns about how long it would take for cheep chips. After seeing your post I am seriously reconsidering as it sounded pretty cool! Thanks for going though all the other things you tried out before, that seems like it will be quite useful for me if I end up going down this path.

I can defiantly tell you put a lot of work into those chips, from the sanding looking to be quite tight to the printed racks that look custom molded, great job!
 

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