Awkward turn spot 30/60 Dramaha (1 Viewer)

[Anthony Martino]

Hero is considered a solid winning player in this game.

Villain 1 is a solid player in his 30's capable of mixing it up and attacking weakness

Villain 2 is an older man in his late 50's or early 60's, recently sat down and is unknown to us

Villain 2 limps UTG+2 for $30

Hero next to act with




Hero raises to $60

Folds to Villain 1 in the SB who makes it $90, Villain 2 cold calls and Hero calls

Flop

Villain 1 bets $30, we both call

Villain 2 draws 2
Hero dumps the 9 and draws 1
Villain 1 draws 1

Hero draws a so he now has two pair in the hole for his draw hand, plus the wheel

However, the turn pairs the 5 with a and villain 1 leads out for $60 and now Villain 2 repops to $120

Hero????

 

[Frogzilla]

Hard to imagine villain 2 doesn’t have one of your hands beat. So were never scooping here and hoping villain 1 and 2 don’t have two way hands and are going for the same side, which is probably less than half the time. Call it 40% so you’ve got optimistically 20% equity in the pot.

6 bets will cost you $360, and you win 20% of $1440 which is $288 so I think ok to fold.

 

[Payback]

Hard to imagine villain 2 doesn’t have one of your hands beat. So were never scooping here and hoping villain 1 and 2 don’t have two way hands and are going for the same side, which is probably less than half the time. Call it 40% so you’ve got optimistically 20% equity in the pot.

6 bets will cost you $360, and you win 20% of $1440 which is $288 so I think ok to fold.

Damn boss. Way to kick maff's ass on a Friday night so the rest of us don't have to.

I begrudgingly fold and hate myself when I find out they are both playing the same side.

 

[moose]

Where are you playing dramaha online and how do you know how old they are online?

 

[Forty4]

Where are you playing dramaha online and how do you know how old they are online?

Posting on mobile and the cards option is not showing

 

[DrStrange]

About the math from @Frogzilla . . .

I think 20% equity is reasonable.

Preflop we have three players at $90 each plus the big blind of $30 or $300

On the flop we have three players for $30 or $90, Pot is $390.

The turn action so far is a bet and a raise for $60 each or $120 or two big bets. I am having trouble figuring where six big bets will come from on the turn & river. At the moment Hero might expect to pay only three big bets, two on the turn and one on the river. but it could be worse than six bets if the villains get into a raising war and trap Hero in-between their hands.

At three big bets paid to see showdown, Hero pays $180 hoping to win 20% of the pot which is $180 * 3 + $390 --> 20% of $930 = $186 or plus $6 ev. Barely profitable and this is the best case. Every extra bet has hero wining 20% of $180 = $36 while paying $60. A loss of $24 per bet.

So this looks like a clear fold unless Hero wishes to bet one of the villains is making a serious mistake.

DrStrange

 

[Anthony Martino]

Where are you playing dramaha online and how do you know how old they are online?

This was live at Tampa Hard Rock, 30/60 limit mixed game

Was posting from my phone and all the formatting options were grayed out

 

[Perthmike]

This was live at Tampa Hard Rock, 30/60 limit mixed game

Was posting from my phone and all the formatting options were grayed out

Press the orange cog and it unlocks the rest.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Press the orange cog and it unlocks the rest.

Fixed it ty

 

[detroitdad]

I probably would have only called pre flop. Two pair is solid, but very beatable. Pot control in spot like this. The only time I might go crazy is if I flop a set with the 10's or 3's.

 

[Anthony Martino]

I wound up folding, I was pretty confident that Villain 1 had Aces full on the Omaha side and that I was playing for half the pot at best and would get trapped in the middle for capped bets just praying my draw hand was ahead

Villain 1 did have aces in the hole but that was it

And Villain 2 had KJT32 so I have no fucking clue what he was doing and I don't think he did either

 

[Moxie Mike]

I wound up folding, I was pretty confident that Villain 1 had Aces full on the Omaha side and that I was playing for half the pot at best and would get trapped in the middle for capped bets just praying my draw hand was ahead

Villain 1 did have aces in the hole but that was it

And Villain 2 had KJT32 so I have no fucking clue what he was doing and I don't think he did either

It's a good fold regardless of the outcome. I don't automatically assume a FH just because there's been a bet and a raise. There's also the consideration as to what you're going to do if a 3rd heart hits the river. And obviously you don't want to get squeezed.

It seems odd that V1 drew one (and 3-bet pre for that matter) to a bare pair of aces. You didn't say what the draw limit was so I don't know if drawing 3 was allowed... but pretending to have a made two pair in the mitt OOP against 2 opponents seems like a bad strategy.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Yes we can draw 3

 

[Darson]

So the difference between draw2maha and dramaha/drawmaha is the number of cards you can draw?

 

[Rhodeman77]

So the difference between draw2maha and dramaha/drawmaha is the number of cards you can draw?

Yes, either 2 or 3 cards.

 

[Darson]

Yes, either 2 or 3 cards.

OK, I'm still confused - I know with draw2maha you can draw between 0 and 2 cards.

For dramaha, you have to draw either 2 or 3 cards? I thought with 5-card draw you can draw as many or as few as you want?

 

[k9dr]

You may draw 0, 1, 2, or 3 in drawmaha.

Drawmaha is best played 6 max allowing for enough cards so almost everyone can draw the max and still have enough cards for the board. Draw2maha can be played 7 max since the draw cards are limited.

 

[Rhodeman77]

OK, I'm still confused - I know with draw2maha you can draw between 0 and 2 cards.

For dramaha, you have to draw either 2 or 3 cards? I thought with 5-card draw you can draw as many or as few as you want?

Sorry, I was referring to max cards that can be drawn. As @k9dr already stated, you can draw less or even none.