Tourney Bad Beat Jackpot Math suggestions (28 Viewers)

[MC_CPA]

Howdy Friends,

I'm thinking of adding a bad beat jackpot to my tournament, where the jackpot is $20 and it grows by $5 every tournament. My events are free to play, the purpose of the bad beat is to attract more people.

If I want this jackpot to hit every 12 to 15 events what should the qualifying hand be (the hand to beat)? Is it Jacks full losing too high of a bar? Is any full house losing too low of a bar?

Obvs both hole cards have to play and if quads has to be a pocket pair.

Update: There's no rake it's just out of my pocket. Mathematically I don't think full houses lose that often so I can't imagine it paying out but I might be wrong here.

Update 2: NLHE, exclusively. It matters.

 

[DaneWoj]

In a live tournament setting you won’t have quads beaten every 20 events. I’d say start at quad A beat. Then lower the qualifier each event. Maybe 1 pip each week so by week 15 it would be something like Js Full beat

 

[MC_CPA]

I'm thinking of starting it at straight up losing with any full house (both cards play) and rolling with that but open to thoughts. If it happens say more than 4 times in 10 weeks or happens multiple times in a row I will bump it up to the AAAKK and adjust as needed. Just can't imagine the math behind it.

 

[TheRealStephen12]

https://wizardofodds.com/games/texas-hold-em/bad-beat-jackpots/

I used the type 2 bad beat for any full house here. If you played 200 hands in a tournament, it would hit about 1 in 10 tournaments, and with people folding, tournaments getting short handed, and 200 hands being a lot of hands, it probably would hit less than that. I think any full house getting beat using both hole cards in each hand would probably be a good start.

 

[TheYeti]

I've had a Bad Beat jackpot at the monthly cash game I host for just over 2 years now, and it has hit exactly 3 times.

My qualifier is any full house beat by quads or better, both cards must play, must go to showdown.

 

[Taghkanic]

Another way to do this is to start at quads beat and then after a certain time start to downgrade it.

So say after 8 weeks it becomes AAAKK beat, then any aces full beat, then KKKAA, then any kings full beat, etc. You can make it a slower or faster progression depending on how large you want it to get / how often you want it to hit.

Alternatively, have you considered a high hand specific to just that game? Could be optional and very small (say, $2 to get in). That might be more enticing for your players since there would be more winners, more often. Also it doesn’t go to zero for the next game like a bad beat.

 

[Poker Zombie]

The following list is from our nightly Bad Beat Jackpot - awarded to the best hand that lost over the course of the night (must go to showdown). 4.5 hour tournaments, usually 2-3 tables, but Ladies night has just 1 table. These did not require both hole cards to play though.

QJ532 Flush KKKAQ TTTJ8 KJ843 flush TTT Q High Flush TTTJJ AAATT K-Q-J-10-9 Straight K8754 flush AAAKK AA-KK-6 AKJ96 Flush J7532 Flush JJJJK AKT76 flush AAA44 Q High Flush J8532 Flush K-Q-J-10-9 Straight AA88K KKKQQ AJT65 Flush 444KK 66677 888QQ KKK88 444JJ 444TT 99988

The only time we had a true Bad Beat jackpot (both cards had to play) was the month we had just paid off the mortgage on the house. We offered 1 house payment if anyone lost with a full house that night. Nobody hit.

Expect variability. Limpers/min-betters will hit bad beats more frequently as they aren't betting enough to push opponents out. Same with calling stations who never fold pocket 2s when the board shows AAKK2.