Blown away by free A.I. poker coach (11 Viewers)

[Taghkanic]

I would not post about this if I played regularly with any of you, but have to share it.

I stumbled upon an A.I. poker coach called Vinton, whose creator I saw interviewed in a YouTube video. It’s ChatGBT-based, but heavily customized and trained by a human:

https://chatgpt.com/g/g-kCGC8fAzB-vinton-live-cash-poker-coaching

I know, I know. You hate it already, without even clicking. I was prepared to hate it, too.

But I’m kind of blown away.

First I ran a few hands through it which I’ve thought about and discussed before with friends, so I could evaluate its responses. I was pleasantly impressed by the analysis. Not a lot that surprised me, but totally on-point advice.

What really got my jaw on the ground was when I decided to push it in a direction not described in the write-up. Will address that in the next comment.

 

[Taghkanic]

So, I play most regularly in two private games, 1/3 and 2/5. The player pools overlap slightly, but are very different overall.

One is more amateurish, fishy, loose-passive, stationy.

The other is tougher, with studied players, not money-scared, aggressive, creative.

For each, I first described the overall gameplay and dynamics. And then wrote up short profiles of the playing styles of the 8-9 villains I face most often in each.

I noted stuff for each player like their image, bluffing frequencies, positional awareness, VPIPs, hand-reading skills, mentality, attitudes to GTO. The bot suggested topics that would be helpful to address to get better answers.

And for each game I talked about dynamics like how many hands get heads-up or multiway, how much 3- and 4-betting there is, whether players go for thin value, pool tendencies as far as range betting, how much people buy in for, how often they top up or rebuy, etc.

And then I let it do its thing.

Wow. The answers were totally different and tailored to each game. The tactics and strategies were either hyperspecific or broad, appropriate to each topic and player addressed.

There were many solid insights, a few real AHA observations, and nothing that made me say “oh, ok, this is a dumb bot with no clue about how actual live games play out.”

 

[Taghkanic]

… Lastly, I told the bot what I thought my image was to these groups of players, and how I should adjust my own play to exploit that.

Again, totally-tailored and on-point responses.

All this happened over the course of maybe two hours (98% of that time being me typing). I feel like I just got $5K worth of free coaching.

Crazy. And this was just my first exploration of it. I’m sure there are other similar bots, and I wonder what this will do to the game over the next few years.

 

[Taghkanic]

Note: Vinton seems to be targeted at live cash play, and I only asked it about NLHE.

 

[demonnic]

I saw that interview and bookmarked the bot and then completely forgot about it. Thanks for your in depth review and reminding me about it. I'm going to have to have a go at it later when my kid's in bed now.

 

[Gus]

Interesting to hear your description of telling it about your opponents and getting tailored advice. Personally I'm wary of people using this type of tool in real time in any online cash games. I don't play in any currently, but the spectre of this becoming a regular part of one's interface keeps me away.

Are you aware of any AI-based coaching tools that allow you to play against computer/AI opponents? For example, I want to practice 6-handed NLHE cash games, and want to play against computerized opponents playing GTO, and after each hand I want to get coached on what I did right and wrong... meaning the GPT/AI can see what I did knowing that my opponents are playing GTO, and tell me "Hey yeah pre-flop you did 90% the right thing, but boy you messed up on the turn in this way..."

Personalized coaching seems to be a huge part of the future for any serious player, both customized to one's opponents as well as the theoretical optimal opponent.

 

[Phoe9x]

I’d take anything AI says with a grain of salt. If you play chess with AI it will spawn in new pieces because it doesn’t actually understand the context. It only randomizes an answer based on training data, so it isn’t as accurate as using an actual GTO chart.

 

[CraigT78]

I need one of these for 4-2-1 Scarney.

 

[Gus]

I haven't deeply followed the GTO or AI-assisted aspect of poker, but talking to a friend who is deep into it what I've come to learn is that there's basically (mathematically, statistically, game theoretically?) an optimum move to make at every step given the info in a single hand. And that adding info from prior hands in the same session doesn't necessarily change that optimum.

I'm a bit skeptical, but perhaps it's 98% of the way to that optimum

What I want is to be able to set up a game and play against this optimum opponent. Practice playing different hands UTG, or on the button with different betting happening before the action gets to me, etc...

Like playing chess against the computer set on the hardest mode. But with a (AI?) coach telling me what I've done right and wrong at each step.

Pretty different than OP Taghkanic's explanation of the ChatGPT coach but... perhaps another worthy product!

 

[Taghkanic]

I’d take anything AI says with a grain of salt. If you play chess with AI it will spawn in new pieces because it doesn’t actually understand the context. It only randomizes an answer based on training data, so it isn’t as accurate as using an actual GTO chart.

I’ve yet to see this one say something that wrong.

 

[Gus]

@Taghkanic were you the one interested in writing a book on the industrial design history of poker chips? I'm putting together barrels of as many manufacturers chips as I can currently, diving deep into manufacturing methods, materials, etc... it's a real rabbit hole!

re: AI messing up poker queries, I'd certainly believe some models haven't had any significant poker exposure and so don't really grok what's being asked. But any model with significant game theory + poker training data shouldn't have total flubs ("randomized answers")