Tourney Breakdown help (2 Viewers)

[Chicken Rob]

what would a tourney set that supported 50 10k buy ins look like? With full color-ups. Assuming 25/100/500/1000/5000 denoms.

Since I'm putting in a big CPC order, I thought I'd consider what this might look like.

 

[stocky]

600/600/250/300/100 1850 chips with 12/12/5/6 starting stacks.

Could lose some 500s if you use less in starting stacks.

Then I'd add 70 1000s for color ups and 20 of each other's for spares to make an even 2000 chip set.

Of BG will come here and blow my breakdown away.

 

[krafticus]

I had the following for my 50 person events.

600/600/300/400/180/20

25/100/500/1000/5000/25000

I always started players with 12/12/3/7. The 500s aren't much of a workhorse chip, no matter the level. The 100's & 1000's are the workhorse chips. I don't like to have 5ks on the table until I color out the 100's, which is usually the 3rd break.

Mark

 

[krafticus]

Don't skimp on the 1000's.. IMHO, starting a 10k tournament with a 5k chip sucks....unless they are Dunes....and then it is ok. :-D

 

[Craig D]

1500 Chips
25x400 100x400 500x200 1000x400 5000x100

Starting Stacks 8/8/4/7

The 5000s can be introduced late when the 500s are removed

Whole racks if your OCD

Have fun

 

[Marius L]

400 x25
400 x100
200 x500
400 x1000
80 x5000
20 x25000

8/8/4/7

Use 50 of the 1000s to color up the 25s and 100s
Use 20 of the 5000s to color up the 500s

The 60 other 5000s would give you 30 rebuys. Add more of these if you want more rebuys/addons
25ks can be used for color ups very late or as rebuys/addons. (Not sure if these are really needed but you could make some just because you can and make them look super awesome)

if your budget is not limited and you want more starting chips you can do 600/600/250/350/80/20, for 12/12/5/6. (fill out racks according to ocd or split one rack of 500s and 1000s.


ofc add spares and more 5000s for rebuys if that is something you need.

 

[krafticus]

I had the following for my 50 person events.

600/600/300/400/180/20

25/100/500/1000/5000/25000

I always started players with 12/12/3/7. The 500s aren't much of a workhorse chip, no matter the level. The 100's & 1000's are the workhorse chips. I don't like to have 5ks on the table until I color out the 100's, which is usually the 3rd break.

Mark

Actually, you can do the same with 100 x 5k chips... removing the extra 80/20 5k/25K chips.

I had 1 game (47 people) where I had all 1k and 5k on the table. It wasn't that bad

 

[mummel]

I ran a simulation to see how many of each denom would be required if a 2.5X BB bet after the flop was called. Here are the results.

This wasnt supposed to be scientific, but just a spreadsheet to give me some idea of WTF is going on.

What was really interesting to me were the ratios. You can see below, the number of chips needed in their ratio format was 12/12/5/19, which seems inline with what most folks here recommend being a 12-12-5-6 starting stack.

However, the $1,000 chips seem seriously lacking in the starting stack breakdown. I've never actually tested this in theory, but maybe some of the other guys can chip in (excuse the pun)?

Sure, maybe there are 1/2 the amount of players around the table once you get to the 400/800 blind level, so doubling the amount of starting $1k chips per person (so going from a 5 to 10 ratio in the original breakdown), and you also need to account for the color-ups (but this only adds 5 X $1k chips, you use $5000 chips for the rest), but that 10-11 ratio still seems way short of the 19 ratio I came up with. My gut says I need more $1k chips.

One way I was thinking about solving this issue was to make the rebuys 10 X $1000. But I'm not sure how many of these I should do vs 2 X $5k.

Note: 33 ratio $5k chips arent required because from what you guys have told me, the game normally ends are 2000/4000, so the $5 chip ratio would actually be 5 (so 12-12-5-19-5).

Thought I would mention this Re: the amount of T1,000 chips you may need.

 

[BGinGA]

My minimum playable set for 50 x T10k stacks (8/8/6/6):

400 x T25
400 x T100
300 x T500
350 x T1000 - includes 10 for T25 and 40 for T100 color-ups
100 x T5000 - includes 30 for T500 and 70 for T1000 color-ups
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1550 chips spread over five tables, with 100 x T5000 chips in play at tournament end (final blind levels will be 10k/20k and 15k/30k).

Starting stacks of 8/8/4/7 will also work, but I prefer to have more T500 chips in play when there are fewer T25/T100 chips in play (i.e., when not using 12/12/x/x stacks)

If considering re-buys, you will need an additional 40 x T5000 chips (20 re-buys @ 2 x T5000 each, which should be more than enough). If you get 50 extra T5000 chips (150 total), you can also bump stacks to 50 x T15000, which also puts the set at an even 1600 chips.


My preferred set for 50 x T10k stacks (12/12/5/6):

600 x T25
600 x T100
250 x T500
375 x T1000 - includes 15 for T25 and 60 for T100 color-ups
100 x T5000 - includes 25 for T500 and 75 for T1000 color-ups
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1925 chips spread over five tables, with 100 x T5000 chips in play at tournament end (final blind levels will be 10k/20k and 15k/30k).

Adding 50 extra T5000 chips (150 total) allows up to 20 re-buys or T15000 starting stacks. Add another 25 to top off the T1000 chips at 400, for a total of 2000 chips.


summary:
600 x T25
600 x T100
250 x T500
400 x T1000
150 x T5000
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2000 chips

 

[Jeff]

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• Jeff
• May 18, 2016

 

[BGinGA]

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• Jeff
• May 18, 2016

dibs

 

[Marius L]

summary:
600 x T25
600 x T100
250 x T500
400 x T1000
250 x T5000
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2000 chips

Noticed a tiny error in the summary where you write 250 t5000s instead of 150. Otherwise this sounds like a pretty nice set.

Not sure if I agree that 20 rebuys would be more than enough for a 50man tournament though, but I guess that depends on playstyle of the players, buyin and structure of the tournament. Just from my personal experience with 30+ man homegame tournaments a lot of rebuys AND add-ons have been pretty standard, and as far as i have heard @Chicken Rob 's game is not the most nitty one around...

 

[Leonard]

I have run a monthly T10K tourney for ten years. So, I don't have professional level experience, but I am an experienced amateur TD. My thoughts:

Never buy extra chips small denominations for "color-up". You color up to T5k chips. When it's time to color up the T25s, you take one T5K chip to the table and color up the big stack, adding enough T100 and T500 chips to make T5k. Then use those chips to color up the remaining players. No need for extra T100s or T500s for color up.

For big tournaments, I would use 8/8/6/6 for starting stacks. For smaller tournaments, I like 12/17/6/5.

My breakdown: 400/500/300/300/100. This is enough for 50 if you use the smaller starting stacks and 29 of the larger stacks. (all T10k of course). 1600 chips total. As a happy coincidence, 1600 chips fits my chip cabinets well.

You will need more if you really want to run a 50 man tourney with lots of rebuys, mostly T1k and T5k. However (and trust me here), you do NOT want to run a 50 man tourney with lots of rebuys. Running a 50 player tournament is enough work as a freeze-out. Adding rebuys would be a lot of extra work.

L

Edit: if you do run a 50 player, multi-rebuy tournament, I would not play on also playing in it...

 

[mummel]

Leonard, sounds like you have a ton of experience. Not to hijack this thread, but I had a similar question about $5k chips in a ~9-10 player T10,000 tournament:
http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threa...ow-much-do-the-5k-chips-come-into-play.12377/

So people said they are never used, others said you use them to color up and for re-buys. Please drop some pearls of wisdom in my thread! Thanks man.

 

[BGinGA]

My experience with multi-table re-buy tournaments (10+ years) is that up to 20% re-buys is to be expected for buy-in amounts of $50 and higher, provided the re-buy cost is the same. Lower buy-ins (and charity events) along with unlimited re-buys tend to promote more re-buys -- sometimes up to 100% (or higher).

I do not recommend offering re-buys in events larger than three tables; it's just too much work.

Coloring-up lower denominations with T5000 chips works well in single table events, but when coloring-up five tables (theoretically simultaneously), using T1000 chips works much better (and faster). Use the T5000s for removing the T500 chips (and T1000, if it gets that far), and for re-buys (if offered).

 

[bivey]

I find that in my monthly games, which are 12-15 player 15k rebuy events, that the 5k chip isn't used all that much. Yes, they hit the table, but most of the time, no one cares. The 1000 is easy to count and we just keep the game moving as the hour grows late. Even with 300k in play, the 5k chip isn't critical. Although on rebuy-happy nights, the 5k starts to come in handy. Note that I start my tournaments pretty deep with 5k more than most, so there may be more in play by comparison.

 

[mummel]

My experience with multi-table re-buy tournaments (10+ years) is that up to 20% re-buys is to be expected for buy-in amounts of $50 and higher, provided the re-buy cost is the same. Lower buy-ins (and charity events) along with unlimited re-buys tend to promote more re-buys -- sometimes up to 100% (or higher).

Perfect, TY. I'll budget for for 100% rebuys for my chip requirements as we play microstakes, $25 etc. I'll go with the $1ks and throw in a barrel of $5ks as a backup. TY guys.

 

[bentax1978]

My experience with multi-table re-buy tournaments (10+ years) is that up to 20% re-buys is to be expected for buy-in amounts of $50 and higher, provided the re-buy cost is the same. Lower buy-ins (and charity events) along with unlimited re-buys tend to promote more re-buys -- sometimes up to 100% (or higher).

And in a tournament where the rebuy is 10% of the entry free for the same number of chips, our one data point suggests 1100%

 

[Leonard]

Coloring-up lower denominations with T5000 chips works well in single table events, but when coloring-up five tables (theoretically simultaneously), using T1000 chips works much better (and faster). Use the T5000s for removing the T500 chips (and T1000, if it gets that far), and for re-buys (if offered).

I guess I would agree with this. I don't really think it's slower to color up to T5000s than T1000s, however larger tourney usually have fewer chips in the starting stack. That means more high denomination chips. If you then throw in T5k chips you can end up with too many high denomination chips, and too few low denoms. That means making change frequently. That slows play and is a bad thing, especially if you have inexperienced players. Larger tourneys have more casual players, in general.

Even for big tournaments, coloring up to T1000s is usually fine.

 

[BGinGA]

One of the issues with coloring-up T25 chips with T5000 chips (in a multi-table event) is that there are only 2000 worth of T25 chips at each table (3000 if using 12/12/xx stacks vs 8/8/xx). Much faster to go to each table with 2-3 T1000 chips vs 1 T5000 that must first be exchanged for lower denominations, then exchange chips, then pull the extra change back off the table. Same applies to the 8000-12000 worth of T100 chips on each table, although to a lesser degree.