Bud Jones question(s?) (1 Viewer)

[dickzapper]

Is there clay compression going on with BJs or are they plastic or are they the "true" clay composite? When I first handled Borgata chips I assumed they were plastic but then realized its just that the texture was worn off of 99% of them. Thanks in advance for sharing the chip wisdom.

 

[Ronoh]

If BJs use no compression they are being done wrong... I may be off topic.

 

[Blaster]

Bud Jones are injection molded plastic chips ..
They have nothing to do with clay or compression .. ( & I don't think "true Clay" ?? Is a thing. .. Is that some marketing term for junk chips??)

 

[dickzapper]

Bud Jones are injection molded plastic chips ..
They have nothing to do with clay or compression .. ( & I don't think "true Clay" ?? Is a thing. .. Is that some marketing term for junk chips??)

Well afaik, technically "true" clay chips are slightly composite with some kind of plastic because 100% clay would be too brittle and crumble. Shitty plastic chips are marketed as "clay composite" for reasons unbeknownst to me. Perhaps it's the inverse, they use a drop of clay just to market it as clay or it's just a lie altogether.

Hm, now I'm wondering if ceramic chips are true ceramic...

 

[Blaster]

Ceramic chips are actually a solid Polyester (plastic) material, not actual ceramic.

 

[BGinGA]

You keep stating that ceramic chips are made of nylon. I've previously seen the materials list, which included several different plastics and polymer binders, but never nylon. Do you have a source for that claim?

 

[bluesman250]

I've never heard of ceramic chips containing nylon. Some have a "linen" finish, which gives them a rougher texture for better stacking an handling, but I don't know if they actually contain linen, or if that's just used to describe the feel. This chart is somewhat over-simplified but helpful. The link includes descriptions of each type.

http://www.homepokergames.com/types-of-poker-chips.php

 

[Tommy]

Some have a "linen" finish, which gives them a rougher texture for better stacking an handling

I've handle these type of ceramics. I noticed over time the "linen" finish will become slick from natural hand oils. I think this is because the material doesn't absorb the oils. Handling/stacking was noticeably degraded.

 

[Mental Nomad]

I've previously seen the materials list, which included several different plastics and polymer binders, but never nylon.

It's worth noting that nylon is a somewhat generic term for a whole family of polymers. Polyamide is a nylon. Electrical connectors and cable ties are made of nylons, too. It's a plastic with a silky feel.

I don't know if any source for the claim, but it's not outrageous.

 

[BiGGyT]

I like how the cic bud jones is lower kwality than claysmith, and the same price range on that chart. Think I might put chipco a bit lower.

 

[links_slayer]

RIP faux clays

 

[Blaster]

It's worth noting that nylon is a somewhat generic term for a whole family of polymers. Polyamide is a nylon. Electrical connectors and cable ties are made of nylons, too. It's a plastic with a silky feel.

I don't know if any source for the claim, but it's not outrageous.

@BGinGA : I recall reading years back that the plastic/polymers that ceramic chips are actually made from, is polyesterl. Not sure of the exact source but I will search ...

_ EDIT: Ceramic Chips are made of Polyester, not nylon, per a post by Joe from PGI _

While most people generally think of nylons & rayons as almost "cloth" , solid nylon feels just like
ceramic, and is being used to replace ceramic in electrical insulator uses.
The antenna electrical insulator below is solid nylon, it is very hard , & feels almost exactly like the ceramic/glasslike feel of older true ceramic types... They are made with rough or glossy finishes:

 

[BGinGA]

My experience with nylon is that it is much more flexible than ceramic chips -- the various nylon components I've seen could not be easily broken (unless perhaps frozen first), and would deform/bend long before snapping. Not so with ceramic chips, which essentially do not deform before breaking.

Not saying you are wrong, but that's been my experience. Of course, adding additional components to the material mix will/would create products with differing characteristics.

 

[Blaster]

My experience with nylon is that it is much more flexible than ceramic chips -- the various nylon components I've seen could not be easily broken (unless perhaps frozen first), and would deform/bend long before snapping. Not so with ceramic chips, which essentially do not deform before breaking.

Not saying you are wrong, but that's been my experience. Of course, adding additional components to the material mix will/would create products with differing characteristics.

There happens to be mention of modern Nylon plastic poker chips at
http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/cmolddesign_overview.htm

in the "Scope of this mold project" section ...
".... I also tend to stay away from the multitudinous and recent plastic-nylon chips with inlaid [i.e., not embossed] design rims like the three right hand chips in the upper row...."

Modern ceramics are , if not pure solid nylon, a very "nylon-like" plastic material, as you mention adding to the formula would create products with differing characteristics ...

 

[BGinGA]

With his "plastic-nylon" reference, Robert Eisenstadt is referring to plastic injection-molded chips made by Langworthy Company, B&G, and RT Plastics -- all of which have a much different feel (softer) and sound (lower-pitched) than ceramic chips, and which all also exhibit the typical characteristics of nylon that I mentioned earlier (softer, flexible, will deform before breaking, etc.). Those chips in no way resemble modern ceramics.

 

[Screw]

You keep stating that ceramic chips are made of nylon. I've previously seen the materials list, which included several different plastics and polymer binders, but never nylon. Do you have a source for that claim?

I've been looking at BJ chips too. I'll be watching this thread

 

[Blaster]

You keep stating that ceramic chips are made of nylon. I've previously seen the materials list, which included several different plastics and polymer binders, but never nylon. Do you have a source for that claim?

I found the old post at the other board, from Joe at PGI in 2007, (ceramic chip mfgr, for those not knowing) ..
He had posted about what various chips were made of , & stated that ceramic chips were actually made of a solid Polyester material .. I had recalled that "ceramic" chips were made from something that people more often associated with "cloth" ( Nylon, Rayon, or Polyester), & had mixed up the 2, since both nylon and polyester were associated with chips ..
I will edit nylon to polyester in my other post(s)
His quote from the old post:
"Even the term "ceramic poker chips" is a misnomer. Ceramic chips are primarily made from a polyester material which mimics the feel of ceramic. They absorb ink through a special manufacturing process ... "