Tourney Can my T25 set handle a T100 tourney? (1 Viewer)

[Dodger]

My current tourney set is T25-base, but I’m wondering if I can stretch it to accommodate a T100-base tourney.

The set breakdown is as follows:

(T25 - 240)
T100 - 240
T500 - 120
T1000 - 200
T5000 - 100

Can this set be utilized ‘as is’ to support a T100-base tourney for up to 24 players? If so, what starting stack amount(s) are feasible?

I realize I’d be stretching the set, so don’t anticipate running anything other than a freezeout with no rebuys. But, depending on the starting stack size, would I have enough color up chips for such a tourney?

I know the answer is moar chips, but before going that route, I figured I’d ask the PCF collective for other ideas and suggestions.

 

[springbox]

Seems doable at T20k. 10/4/7/2+2 for color ups. You need 240/96/168/96 which you have. If you don't mind different starting stacks you can give up to 12 players T500x6 and T1000x6 to get more 500s in play.

You could also do T25k 10/4/7/3, you'll just have 100 T1ks left in play along with the 100 T5ks at the end.

 

[Dodger]

Seems doable at T20k. 10/4/7/2+2 for color ups. You need 240/96/168/96 which you have. If you don't mind different starting stacks you can give up to 12 players T500x6 and T1000x6 to get more 500s in play.

You could also do T25k 10/4/7/3, you'll just have 100 T1ks left in play along with the 100 T5ks at the end.

Nice. I was thinking different starting stacks may be the trick here to make it work.

Thanks for the feedback.

Do you see a need for T25K chips at all? Not sure if/when those would need to be introduced, if at all. I don’t currently have those in the set, but was thinking those could help if needed.

 

[Ben8257]

Seems doable at T20k. 10/4/7/2+2 for color ups. You need 240/96/168/96 which you have. If you don't mind different starting stacks you can give up to 12 players T500x6 and T1000x6 to get more 500s in play.

You could also do T25k 10/4/7/3, you'll just have 100 T1ks left in play along with the 100 T5ks at the end.

Doable? Sure... ideal? Not really... there are folks here that follow the ole 8/8/6/6 for 10k T25 based tournies... I have played in them and absolutely hate it! Often the second or third hand change is having to be made... 1 or 2 hoarders at the table that don't want to give up their stacks of small denoms... everyone says "force them" but it never happens so the rest of the table scrambles to make change for the rest of the evening with 10 - 14 low denom chips changing hands back and forth.

There are folks here that love 8/8/6/6 and say they never have any issues... good for them because it hasn't been my experience AT ALL!

Now back to the above proposed SS... in that 8/8 situation you are still starting with 28 chips and yes only 8 are low denoms... in this case 25... and the most 25s ever need are 3 for a 75/150 level, for the most part it is 1 or 2 chips, in the case of the T100 chip you can use up to 4 for 200/400 or 400/800 and we are increasing the work horse chip here by 25% (from 8 - T25 to 10 - T100) so basically we are going to run into the exact same # of change making situations throught the game... BUT now our starting stacks is only 23 chips AND we cut the next highest denom in HALF before we even started (the T500 is our change making chip) in the T25 game we have 16 chips combing for the bottom 2 denoms... now down to 14.

So don't mind an evening of change making the entire time... go for it! If somehow you could squeeze a 10/6 or 10/8 it would flow much better! Personally I want 15/7/10/X in this situation with more 1Ks for color ups before the next work horse.... 12 of any workhorse chips per player seems to always be the sweet spot...

So not disagreeing with the above statement, and would have suggested the exact same breakdown as it is the ONLY real breakdown here with 24 players, just would have added "not ideal"... guessing this is freezeout with no rebuys because you definitely don't have the chips to cover those. So 20k starting at 100/100 for 200 Bigs, expect tons of change making. Yeah you can make it work... but I would pass on a seat in this game.

Any possibility @Dodger to add on to the set?

 

[BGinGA]

Seems doable at T20k. 10/4/7/2+2 for color ups. You need 240/96/168/96 which you have. If you don't mind different starting stacks you can give up to 12 players T500x6 and T1000x6 to get more 500s in play.

You could also do T25k 10/4/7/3, you'll just have 100 T1ks left in play along with the 100 T5ks at the end.

^ This will work, but far from optimally.

For a decent T100-base experience, you really want 15/7/10/5 = 40k stacks (200bb w/100-200 blinds) especially if utilizing a BBA.

For 24 players, that works out to:

360 x T100
168 x T500
240 x T1000
144 x T5000 (includes T100/T500 color-ups)
10 x T25000 (T1000 color-ups)

 

[Ben8257]

^ This will work, but far from optimally.

For a decent T100-base experience, you really want 15/7/10/5 = 40k stacks (200bb w/100-200 blinds) especially if utilizing a BBA.

For 24 players, that works out to:

360 x T100
168 x T500
240 x T1000
144 x T5000 (includes T100/T500 color-ups)
10 x T25000 (T1000 color-ups)

OMG Dave we agreed on something! Ok... I also agree I probably could have used a few less words (but we all know I'm not good at that! Lol)

That above proposed starting stack would be the "change maker from hell!"

Again not arguing that it's the only possibility with the set the way it sits... just that I think we need some more chips to really make this comfortable/playable.

 

[Dodger]

Any possibility @Dodger to add on to the set?

Always a possibility, but wanted to see what the current set could handle.

Our group is pretty ingrained with the T25-base tourney, and at this time, I don’t see the need to change. BUT, I always like to have options, and if I have to add on down the road, I may just do that to have a T100-base option in my toolbox.

 

[Dodger]

^ This will work, but far from optimally.

For a decent T100-base experience, you really want 15/7/10/5 = 40k stacks (200bb w/100-200 blinds) especially if utilizing a BBA.

For 24 players, that works out to:

360 x T100
168 x T500
240 x T1000
144 x T5000 (includes T100/T500 color-ups)
10 x T25000 (T1000 color-ups)

Bookmarked!

(Adding to the dozen or so breakdown/starting stack/blinds structure posts from @BGinGA I already have saved. )

 

[Dodger]

^ This will work, but far from optimally.

For a decent T100-base experience, you really want 15/7/10/5 = 40k stacks (200bb w/100-200 blinds) especially if utilizing a BBA.

For 24 players, that works out to:

360 x T100
168 x T500
240 x T1000
144 x T5000 (includes T100/T500 color-ups)
10 x T25000 (T1000 color-ups)

Coming back to this breakdown. No longer looking to stretch my T25-base set or add-on to it. Why not just get a new set with T100-base, right?

@BGinGA - you mention this breakdown for a 'decent' experience. How flexible is this breakdown for different tourney formats - rebuys, pre-buys, add-ons, higher/lower starting stacks, etc? Is there a more efficient breakdown that allows us to have similar flexibility? (i.e. do we need this many T500's?)

If going with your suggested breakdown, looks like I'd have to round up to the nearest 25-chip increment:

375 x T100
175 x T500
250 x T1000
150 x T5000
25 x T25000
---
Total - 975 chips

Thanks for any additional info and help on this!

 

[BGinGA]

24 players, 40k stacks (15/7/10/5), with optional BBA, re-buys, and qtys rounded up to 25-chip increments:

375 x T100
175 x T500
300 x T1000
200 x T5000
50 x T25000
-----------
1100 chips

notes:
• stays with 7x T500s in stacks so BBA events aren't compromised (otherwise 5x would suffice)
• adds twelve 40k rebuys (one @ 15/7/10/5, five @ 0/0/10/6, six @ 0/0/0/3/1)
• allows for up to 24 x 65k larger starting stacks (15/7/10/5/1)
• pre-buy event stacks (20k +20k) are 15/7/5/2 starting and 0/0/5/3 pre-bought
• add-ons not specifically addressed, but possible if re-buys are not offered -- and 1200 total chips (adding 100x more T5000 or 50xT5k & 50xT25k) would allow both

 

[Dodger]

24 players, 40k stacks (15/7/10/5), with optional BBA, re-buys, and qtys rounded up to 25-chip increments:

375 x T100
175 x T500
300 x T1000
200 x T5000
50 x T25000
-----------
1100 chips

notes:
• stays with 7x T500s in stacks so BBA events aren't compromised (otherwise 5x would suffice)
• adds twelve 40k rebuys (one @ 15/7/10/5, five @ 0/0/10/6, six @ 0/0/3/1)
• allows for up to 24 x 65k larger starting stacks (15/7/10/5/1)
• pre-buy event stacks (20k +20k) are 15/7/5/2 starting and 0/0/5/3 pre-bought
• add-ons not specifically addressed, but possible if re-buys are not offered -- and 1200 total chips (adding 100x more T5000 or 50xT5k & 50xT25k) would allow both

Excellent! Thank you for notes and added info!

 

[Darson]

My question is why? You have a perfectly functional T25 set - why do you want to move to T100?

 

[Dodger]

My question is why? You have a perfectly functional T25 set - why do you want to move to T100?

I always like to have options, and if I have to add on down the road, I may just do that to have a T100-base option in my toolbox.

 

[Natskule]

My question is why? You have a perfectly functional T25 set - why do you want to move to T100?

I had the same question, a tournament with T25 isn't fundamentally different than a tournament with T100, just different color chips with a different amount on them being used, but the game is the same. I understand changing the starting stack to make a tournament turbo or deep stack, but that can be done with any Tournament base.

It's change just for change sake. Not that I don't do it as well I have different tournament sets with different tournament bases. But I don't use my T25 set to run a T100 tournament poorly.

 

[BGinGA]

My question is why? You have a perfectly functional T25 set - why do you want to move to T100?

I had the same question, a tournament with T25 isn't fundamentally different than a tournament with T100, just different color chips with a different amount on them being used, but the game is the same.

It's change just for change sake.

Imo, a T100-base tourney does play a little differently than a T-25 base event, especially if using a BBA (some differences physically, some psychologically).

It's also perhaps not as flexible if wanting to create a blind schedule with really slow perentage progressions.