Cash game, $100 buy-in, 50c/$1 BBs, how many SBs in starting stack? (1 Viewer)

[mummel]

I'm guessing something like this works:

20 X $1 = $20
5 X $5 = $25
2 X $25 = $50

But how do you handle the small blinds of 50c? I'm guessing each person only needs maybe 2-4 SB chips?

So 4 X 50c = $2 (but I need to make up $5)

So if I'm hard capped at 20 X $1 chips per person (I cant add another 3 here, a rack of 200 for 10 players, no more), do I just add 10 X 50c chips? That seems like a lot of wasted chips on the table just sitting there. Whats the best way to make sure everyone has a couple of SB chips?

 

[DrStrange]

That depends a lot on how your players bet (or if the house has a rule about betting only whole dollars). I have several players who essentially always bet in fractional amounts. Rather than bet $15, they bet $14.50. Could bet $7, but choose $6.50. I spread out a whole rack between the players at the table, something like 10-12 per player but even that will not be enough sometimes.

DrStrange

 

[mummel]

I kind of answered my own question. Drop the players to 8 and give them all 4 X 50c chips + 23 X $1 chips.

 

[mummel]

That depends a lot on how your players bet (or if the house has a rule about betting only whole dollars). I have several players who essentially always bet in fractional amounts. Rather than bet $15, they bet $14.50. Could bet $7, but choose $6.50. I spread out a whole rack between the players at the table, something like 10-12 per player but even that will not be enough sometimes.

DrStrange

Thats interesting. Yeah if guys use the 50c chips to bet, then you definitely need more of them. That would complicate things. So if they were using these chips to bet, how many do you think I could get away with? 10 each?

 

[links_slayer]

is $1/$1 an option for your group?

 

[mummel]

is $1/$1 an option for your group?

Could be, just wondering what most folks do.

 

[courage]

Use a rack of 50c. Give the first 5 players a stack of 50c, a stack of $1, and 14 x $5. The $25 don't need to come out until rebuys. The fracs will get spread around quickly enough as the game goes.

 

[bentax1978]

is $1/$1 an option for your group?

Could be, just wondering what most folks do.

Personally, when I used to host my weekly game, we just did $1/1 as I didn't want to be bothered with fractional chips (in part because none of my cash sets had any).

 

[AdamAAAA]

Why not:

4 X 0.50 = $2
18 X $1 = $20
6 X $5 = $25
2 X $25 = $50

Or as above.

 

[Mr Tree]

Yeah for $100 I work the $25s in later.

 

[links_slayer]

you could just give a couple players a stack each and have the rest of the players buy them from him/her as needed.

 

[DrStrange]

I host $0.25/$0.50 or $1/$1 most of the time. Most of my sets have a lot of $1s and $5s. For a $1/$1 game I start with 10 $1s and 18 $5s but end up with 400 or 500 $5s on the table before going up a step. I prefer using two racks of the lowest denomination for a game with fractional chips. The goal is to get more smaller chips in play, just because!

There is a tiny security benefit. Putting out low value chips in quantity rather than fewer high value chips makes it less likely that someone will bother bringing in foreign chips to cheat the bank. The way chip prices are these days, a player would be hard pressed to make a profit buying a handful of $5 chips off eBay and sneaking them on the table.

You also go a long ways to avoiding trouble when a player tosses an oversized chip as a bet/call in an ambiguous way, if all you have in play is $1s and $5s

Did I mention you can get more chips on the table? -=- DrStrange

 

[bentax1978]

In addition to the reasons mentioned above (more chips, less potential single large chip raise/call situations, bank security, etc), one of the main reasons I liked to avoid using higher denom chips was because it makes quickly assessing another player's stack easier. Not all players are good about keeping the high denom chips out front (intentional or not). A couple of $100 chips at the bottom of a stack in front can be easy to miss. By playing with ton and tons of $5 chips (in a 1/1 or 1/2 game), makes it very easy to look at a players stack and quickly estimate how much is in front of them without accidentally underestimating their stack size due to not seeing a the high denom chips.

 

[jbutler]

Another vote for nixing the $.50 chips altogether. I have never heard a valid reason to play $.50/1 over $1/1.

 

[courage]

Another vote for nixing the $.50 chips altogether. I have never heard a valid reason to play $.50/1 over $1/1.

Just to have a pretty frac in play.

Ok, ok, we play $1/1 but whatever. Chips!

 

[jbutler]

Just to have a pretty frac in play.
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Ok, ok, we play $1/1 but whatever. Chips!

I actually considered both of these arguments, but still concluded $1/1 > $.50/1 because if you want to buy/use some fracs, you just have to occasionally spread a $.50/.50 game.

 

[courage]

I actually considered both of these arguments, but still concluded $1/1 > $.50/1 because if you want to buy/use some fracs, you just have to occasionally spread a $.50/.50 game.

Your logic is annoying.

 

[jbutler]

Your logic is annoying.

You're just too baller to spread $.50/.50. Alternatively, you could use them as antes in a low stakes stud game.

 

[72o]

Just to have a pretty frac in play.
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Ok, ok, we play $1/1 but whatever. Chips!

Careful posting pron like that Courage....unless you want to see @David O 's O face.

 

[bentax1978]

Careful posting pron like that Courage....unless you want to see @David O 's O face.

Hard to imagine that was @courage's intention when he posted

 

[courage]

You're just too baller to spread $.50/.50. Alternatively, you could use them as antes in a low stakes stud game.

Actually I think I'll spread that sometime soon. Some of my players will be like wtf, but it'll mix things up a bit.

And I have several that would love a stud game. I guess I could be more open minded lol.

 

[bentax1978]

I guess I could be more open minded

Being open minded is terribly overrated. Stick with what you know.

 

[David O]

Careful posting pron like that Courage....unless you want to see @David O 's O face.

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I even changed my Avatar in honor of those tasty chips!

 

[BGinGA]

Use a rack of 50c. Give the first 5 players a stack of 50c, a stack of $1, and 14 x $5. The $25 don't need to come out until rebuys. The fracs will get spread around quickly enough as the game goes.

Totally ^this^.


Get all of the 50c chips in play right from the get-go, and ~none~ of the $25 chips. Three denominations on the table is plenty (and preferred, actually) until you run out of $5 chips.

 

[mummel]

So if you go $1/$1, what about then just doing

25 X $1
5 X $5
2 X $25

Total = $100

Would this be enough $5s in play?

 

[bentax1978]

So if you go $1/$1, what about then just doing

25 X $1
5 X $5
2 X $25

Total = $100

Would this be enough $5s in play?

IMO, not even remotely enough for 1/1. How many total $5 chips do you have? As others have suggested, ideally you wouldn't put any $25 chips into play in a $100 starting stack, but rather start with 20/16 or 15/17 of $1 and $5 chips.

 

[mummel]

IMO, not even remotely enough for 1/1. How many total $5 chips do you have? As others have suggested, ideally you wouldn't put any $25 chips into play in a $100 starting stack, but rather start with 20/16 or 15/17 of $1 and $5 chips.

Got it. Thats all I wanted to know. I was trying to rework my $50 buy-in cash set which is capped at 500 chips, to included $100 buy in games if we ever get there. Looks like it wont be possible with so few 5s. TY.

 

[detroitdad]

I'll put one "$25.00" chip in play with my 100.00 dollar buy ins. I just want to be able to brag about my grandson

 

[bentax1978]

Got it. Thats all I wanted to know. I was trying to rework my $50 buy-in cash set which is capped at 500 chips, to included $100 buy in games if we ever get there. Looks like it wont be possible with so few 5s. TY.

I wouldn't give up that easily. I was just suggesting that (50) $5 chips on the table to start a 1/1 cash game was far too few. My suggestion would be that you want as many chips on the table as possible to start. So if you had a set breakdown of 200 x $1, 200 x $5 and 100 x $25 (just as an example), you'd want to have your starting stacks all $1 and $5 chips to start and then use the $25 (and remaining $5 chips) for rebuys.

 

[mummel]

I wouldn't give up that easily. I was just suggesting that (50) $5 chips on the table to start a 1/1 cash game was far too few. My suggestion would be that you want as many chips on the table as possible to start. So if you had a set breakdown of 200 x $1, 200 x $5 and 100 x $25 (just as an example), you'd want to have your starting stacks all $1 and $5 chips to start and then use the $25 (and remaining $5 chips) for rebuys.

A related question. What about the $50 buy in games. Starting stacks include 20 X 25c, 20 X $1 and 5 X $5 = $50. As for the buy-ins, I would assume you would do 2 X $25 and not 10 X $5 correct? But that leaves 4 denoms on the table.

Are 4 denoms still a better idea vs adding 10 chips onto the table for each rebuy?