Cash game bad beats (2 Viewers)

[mella]

It's s been a while since I built a nice cool stack in 2/3 game. Yesterday was up couple of hundred. Only to get 3 bad beats to wipe it all out and leave me down for the day. Morning after is usually worst than a hangover. How long would you take to get back to the table?

 

[bentax1978]

How long would you take to get back to the table?

Depends, how badly do you need breakfast when you wake up?

 

[ChipEnvy]

As long as it takes to move on. Poker sucks sometimes.

 

[derekdd23]

If i'm on vacation or not working the next day I dont leave the table after the beats, otherwise I get back and play at my first opportunity. After the first few hundred they dont sting as bad anymore and no longer tilt me. The only thing that really bothers me anymore is when I make the bad play.

 

[courage]

It's s been a while since I built a nice cool stack in 2/3 game. Yesterday was up couple of hundred. Only to get 3 bad beats to wipe it all out and leave me down for the day. Morning after is usually worst than a hangover. How long would you take to get back to the table?

Not even a flesh wound.

 

[bergs]

When this happens to me 11 consecutive times over a 5 hour period, that's usually when I turn to Butler and Courage and ask "Am I just spewing or running bad?" and if they're not at my table they're like "you're a spewmonster" but if they are at my table they're like "OMG worst beats ever" but that's OK because I'll just suck out on Guinnness at 3am to get to even after we've both been drinking for 15 hours the end.

 

[Stibnite]

I had a night like that before.

AA vs Q9 (suited)
Board: AKJAT
Result: My Quad Aces loses to King High Straight Flush

20 minutes later ...

QJ vs 66
Board: QQJ66
Result: My flopped Boat sunk by four bombs running.

1 hour later ...

KJ vs KQ
Board: KJKJQ
Result: Full win, to half chop, to river death.

5 min later (another guy next table over) ...

44 vs 88
Board: 48428
Result: $5000+ pot from chip leaders almost resulted in fist fight at that table.

10 minutes later (me again) ...

AA vs KK
Board: 26TKA
Result: My trips win briefly... but the Ace that gave me the trips was the 4th spade on the board, giving her K of spades the Flush. Trips in the toilet.

Last hand that night ...

QQ vs AK
Board: QQKKK
Result: ...know when to walk away; know when to run...

If ever there was a night to feel like tables were rigged for propositional players... well, my skepticism was tested.

 

[Momek]

@Stibnite: In one night, incredible!!!

 

[Stibnite]

@Stibnite: In one night, incredible!!!

Yes, in the span of 3 hours.

I don't even want to mention the 1 over straights, barely 2 pair over 2 pairs, and trips over trips.

Was the worst luck I ever had playing poker. So unlucky, that I felt "played."

Oh, I left out the hand that I folded preflop due to a large preflop raise.

I folded K7. KK7 hits the flop. Then 5K.

4 people had full houses, and were all in. I flopped a full house and caught a quad on the end--if only I had played the hand. Those bad beats had me reluctant to blink wrong.

 

[Ellasdaddy]

I had a night like that before.

AA vs Q9 (suited)
Board: AKJAT
Result: My Quad Aces loses to King High Straight Flush

20 minutes later ...

QJ vs 66
Board: QQJ66
Result: My flopped Boat sunk by four bombs running.

1 hour later ...

KJ vs KQ
Board: KJKJQ
Result: Full win, to half chop, to river death.

5 min later (another guy next table over) ...

44 vs 88
Board: 48428
Result: $5000+ pot from chip leaders almost resulted in fist fight at that table.

10 minutes later (me again) ...

AA vs KK
Board: 26TKA
Result: My trips win briefly... but the Ace that gave me the trips was the 4th spade on the board, giving her K of spades the Flush. Trips in the toilet.

Last hand that night ...

QQ vs AK
Board: QQKKK
Result: ...know when to walk away; know when to run...

If ever there was a night to feel like tables were rigged for propositional players... well, my skepticism was tested.

Yes, in the span of 3 hours.

I don't even want to mention the 1 over straights, barely 2 pair over 2 pairs, and trips over trips.

Was the worst luck I ever had playing poker. So unlucky, that I felt "played."

Oh, I left out the hand that I folded preflop due to a large preflop raise.

I folded K7. KK7 hits the flop. Then 5K.

4 people had full houses, and were all in. I flopped a full house and caught a quad on the end--if only I had played the hand. Those bad beats had me reluctant to blink wrong.

I feel like your night should've included commentary by Jim Ross...

 

[chkmte]

I feel like your night should've included commentary by Jim Ross...

...or even Bob Ross. Happy trees mf'ers!

 

[johnnycnote]

I had a night like that before.

AA vs Q9 (suited)
Board: AKJAT
Result: My Quad Aces loses to King High Straight Flush

20 minutes later ...

QJ vs 66
Board: QQJ66
Result: My flopped Boat sunk by four bombs running.

1 hour later ...

KJ vs KQ
Board: KJKJQ
Result: Full win, to half chop, to river death.

5 min later (another guy next table over) ...

44 vs 88
Board: 48428
Result: $5000+ pot from chip leaders almost resulted in fist fight at that table.

10 minutes later (me again) ...

AA vs KK
Board: 26TKA
Result: My trips win briefly... but the Ace that gave me the trips was the 4th spade on the board, giving her K of spades the Flush. Trips in the toilet.

Last hand that night ...

QQ vs AK
Board: QQKKK
Result: ...know when to walk away; know when to run...

If ever there was a night to feel like tables were rigged for propositional players... well, my skepticism was tested.

This makes my bad beat stories look like wins!

 

[gopherblue]

Are you sure there wasn't a mechanic dealing?

 

[bergs]

Do they spread anything other than NLHE in the 8th level of Hell where this game took place?

 

[Stibnite]

I have no idea. What I do know is this is the only casino I've ever played at where I had multiple bad beats in a night, and it happened on two separate nights at the same casino. Gave them a quick 1 hour 2nd chance, and when it happened again I took off and never went back.

I also have never been dealt so many great hands in one night anywhere--ever. Yet, still falling short to slightly better hands. At the same time, watching other players at same tables go heads up with huge bets and winning with Jack high.

Also, they have posted a sign about prop players (which they use to keep at least 2 tables rolling for 24/7), and when I requested for them to point them out, well, only me and 2 others were visiting that Tuesday at 1am. I'll give you 2 guesses on which players were winning the pots over and over--not us visitors.

What I found even more interesting was what these people were calling with on the flop, which in most occasions was nothing (calling and making huge bets on runner-runner draws), then almost every time catching just enough on the river to pull off a win. Over and over.

Another thing that I didn't like was I hit a high hand in the off hours (AAAQQ), and then after waiting 1 hour, the 30 seconds before they were to give me my high hand win, they announced it was beat by AAAKK. However, we were only 2 tables, and it didn't happen at our table. I asked other table, and everyone played dumb. No one was awarded the high hand money. I watched carefully, and when I asked the poker room attendee what happened, he just said, "bad luck, I guess."

Now, I've lost many high hands in the final minutes--that doesn't bother me. But, no one was paid for that one, and they basically robbed it openly far as I could tell.

I went to another casino after those beats and did fine as normal and thankfully did well enough to cut even for the night's losses.

I am not one to accuse any game room of having poker room cheating, but if they are good, there's likely no way we'd catch them. I have always been skeptical and heard stories--which I always defended the poker rooms and said they don't need to cheat--they make plenty.

Maybe I am wrong. Chances are, I just coincidentally had really bad luck only at that location; on the other hand, it doesn't mess with me mentally as much if I can imagine I simply got punked. I think I'd prefer that more, lol.

 

[Stibnite]

Do they spread anything other than NLHE in the 8th level of Hell where this game took place?

They only have 1-3nl and 4-8 limit there.

 

[gopherblue]

I have no idea. What I do know is this is the only casino I've ever played at where I had multiple bad beats in a night, and it happened on two separate nights at the same casino. Gave them a quick 1 hour 2nd chance, and when it happened again I took off and never went back.

I also have never been dealt so many great hands in one night anywhere--ever. Yet, still falling short to slightly better hands. At the same time, watching other players at same tables go heads up with huge bets and winning with Jack high.

Also, they have posted a sign about prop players (which they use to keep at least 2 tables rolling for 24/7), and when I requested for them to point them out, well, only me and 2 others were visiting that Tuesday at 1am. I'll give you 2 guesses on which players were winning the pots over and over--not us visitors.

What I found even more interesting was what these people were calling with on the flop, which in most occasions was nothing (calling and making huge bets on runner-runner draws), then almost every time catching just enough on the river to pull off a win. Over and over.

Another thing that I didn't like was I hit a high hand in the off hours (AAAQQ), and then after waiting 1 hour, the 30 seconds before they were to give me my high hand win, they announced it was beat by AAAKK. However, we were only 2 tables, and it didn't happen at our table. I asked other table, and everyone played dumb. No one was awarded the high hand money. I watched carefully, and when I asked the poker room attendee what happened, he just said, "bad luck, I guess."

Now, I've lost many high hands in the final minutes--that doesn't bother me. But, no one was paid for that one, and they basically robbed it openly far as I could tell.

I went to another casino after those beats and did fine as normal and thankfully did well enough to cut even for the night's losses.

I am not one to accuse any game room of having poker room cheating, but if they are good, there's likely no way we'd catch them. I have always been skeptical and heard stories--which I always defended the poker rooms and said they don't need to cheat--they make plenty.

Maybe I am wrong. Chances are, I just coincidentally had really bad luck only at that location; on the other hand, it doesn't mess with me mentally as much if I can imagine I simply got punked. I think I'd prefer that more, lol.

Jeebus. That sounds like a fixed room to me, assuming all you've mentioned is true. One of our resident statisticians or psychometrics folks could crunch the numbers, but that many big hands in one night, let alone at one table, beggars belief.

I'd report them to the state gaming commission. What was the name of the casino?

 

[Stibnite]

Is it considered decent poker etiquette to mention the casino publicly? I don't mind.

I am just a bit new to the Casino arena and don't want to step on toes.

That said, I was accompanied also, so we all witnessed the wonder that was statistically improbable odds.

 

[courage]

Is it considered decent poker ettitquette to mention the casino publicly? I don't mind.

I am just a bit new to the Casino arena and don't want to step on toes.

That said, I was accompanied also, so we all witnessed the wonder that was statistically improbable odds.

Makes me sick to hear, but good job recalling the details. I'd love to know the casino name in order to avoid giving any business. Sounds like a fix to me and I'd report it as gopherblue suggested.

 

[gopherblue]

Is it considered decent poker etiquette to mention the casino publicly? I don't mind.

I am just a bit new to the Casino arena and don't want to step on toes.

That said, I was accompanied also, so we all witnessed the wonder that was statistically improbable odds.

Well, again, assuming what you said is accurate, they, in fact, stole from you...so I don't think I'd have any compunction in revealing who it was.

 

[Stibnite]

I will PM the name to you, as I'd rather not flame them publicly just in case the poker powers just didn't like me exclusively in their game room.

 

[Stibnite]

Makes me sick to hear, but good job recalling the details. I'd love to know the casino name in order to avoid giving any business. Sounds like a fix to me and I'd report it as gopherblue suggested.

Details are pretty easy to remember on bad beats. I have a harder time remembering my wins. Fortunately, after 3 BB in a row, I started texting the hands to myself for summary.

 

[DJ Mack]

I'd report them to the state gaming commission.

I agree and that's what's so weird. Not doubting it happened but compared to a cheating player a casino has so much to lose from rigging games - and they only have to get caught once. If people come through the doors the numbers say they will make money. To do anything other than run an honest game is kind of beyond my imagination as far as a legit, licensed casino goes. Workers could go to jail, licenses would be suspended/revoked, huge fines would be assessed, not to mention the awful publicity. Going out of business is a very real possibility. All for what? A few large filched from the poker room? In my mind it's like a large bank stealing a few pennies out of people's checking accounts every now and then just because they can.

Even if the casino was struggling financially the risk to reward ratio is so out of whack on an idea like this. But the circumstances of the beats are definitely eyebrow raising.

 

[Stibnite]

I agree and that's what's so weird. Not doubting it happened but compared to a cheating player a casino has so much to lose from rigging games - and they only have to get caught once. If people come through the doors the numbers say they will make money. To do anything other than run an honest game is kind of beyond my imagination as far as a legit, licensed casino goes. Workers could go to jail, licenses would be suspended/revoked, huge fines would be assessed, not to mention the awful publicity. Going out of business is a very real possibility. All for what? A few large filched from the poker room? In my mind it's like a large bank stealing a few pennies out of people's checking accounts every now and then just because they can.

Even if the casino was struggling financially the risk to reward ratio is so out of whack on an idea like this. But the circumstances of the beats are definitely eyebrow raising.

That is definitely my thoughts. Precisely why I didn't consider it a big deal, but certainly eye lifting. I cant imagine they'd have a need to, but hey, who better to target than those late night shifters (like me), where the environment can be a little more controlled?

I dunno, something definitely didn't feel right. I mean, my normal play consists of making those tough calls with a pair of 8s after someone raises their bluff on an overcard heavy board, etc. Yet when I have a premium hand, it scores most of the time. There, I didn't score a single premium hitter except the one I folded, lol.

 

[DJ Mack]

One other thing - not to discourage complaining here, but if one ever wishes to lodge a complaint against a casino it's critical to act quickly. Under the guise of customer privacy, which I do agree with, many casinos have crazy short retention periods for video. Like less than a week short.

Having said that a late complaint is still better than none. They might not be able to do much with your particular situation but if three other people have complained of similar circumstances they might do some undercover investigating and catch them in the act. At least around here the gaming control agents have full and unrestricted access to the video system and can do so without having to work through the casino or even tell them what they are looking at. I imagine it's similar in other states.

 

[Stibnite]

Yeah, it's been somewhat recent, but awhile nonetheless (few months). For me, I'm not entirely complaining, but glad to share the experience. I just chalked it up as having a really bad couple of days--even if I did well across the street.

You'd think the risk of getting caught would far outweigh the benefits of stealing pennies from unsuspecting players.

Though, nearby, there are some poker rooms closed down for whatever reason. Who knows?

I know that Hialeah Park Casino down in Miami was fined for taking cuts out of poker tournaments and not paying all of the winnings (or something). Was in the local news there.

 

[abby99]

There's a huge difference between a casino cheating its customers and casino employees cheating them. If there truly were shenanigans going on, it's likely that the big winners shared the take with the dealer, and who knows what really happened to that high hand jackpot.

Your reports certainly got my attention. If what you suspect is true, you're not the only person to get cheated. However, if it were me, I might not want to go through the hassle of reporting it to the gaming commission. I would simply never return to that casino. This was an Indian casino?

 

[Stibnite]

I'm not positive it is Indian owned, but being in Mississippi, I'd say the chances are highly likely.

And yes, I responded by not returning again.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Agree with Abbey, sounds like a dealer in cahoots with some regs, not necessarily the casino cheating you. Unless it was multiple dealers giving you all of these highly improbable beats.

 

[Stibnite]

Two tables, two dealers--because so late night.

Other rooms I go to have many more dealers which swap out every 30 minutes.