CPC & ASM color sample sets compared (1 Viewer)

[courage]

I needed an update to several colors in my sample set, so decided to just order the entire latest set. I'd heard the formula for pink had changed (to New Pink) but was surprised to see some other colors appear to have changed as well (some better, some worse imo). Or maybe I'm crazy. I've tried to show the differences in pics below in case it helps.

The differing molds may account for some perceived difference but not for all imo. Above the line are chips from my recent CPC set, below the line are chips from my 2010 ASM sample set plus a few additions over time. All chips are cleaned/oiled. I like labels on just one side so it's more flexible when I'm imagining spot combos.

The colors I was looking to add to samples:

Prefer ASM imperial blue as it had a tinge more green or gray. Will be interesting to see if my twin spires $1 add-on matches.
Blue appears much different. Prefer ASM version that seems bit lighter.

DG Green: prefer CPC version that is brighter with less yellow.

DG Pink: CPC version much improved and brighter.
Prefer ASM pink to muted CPC New Pink.

Not much difference in these.

Or these.

Mandarin Red: ASM appears brighter wth more orange.
Red: prefer the darker CPC.

Same:

White: prefer the CPC version which is lighter.
Gray: prefer ASM version which appears lighter.

 

[12thMan]

Cool post.

I agree with your preferences, especially like the new white, the old is almost custard compared to the new regular white. Also, it may just be the pictures making the colors appear more off, but I definitely prefer the new black, dg orange, purple, and lavender from CPC, colors seem much richer.

 

[MrBo]

Thanks for taking the time to post this. I just got a CPC add-on to my ASM Vegas set and thought I noticed some variation in the dark blues. Hard to tell with the new ones being both chalky and then all oiled up.

ASM Vegas on left, CPC on right

I was more troubled with the diameter differences than color differences since I'm not putting them in play together. ASM Vegas in between CPC's.

More info and pics here if interested: http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/bo-manor-asm-vegas-fdl-pr0n-re-post.7894/#post-196043

 

[courage]

MrBo, agree about the dark blue, the ASM version is more "denim" looking. I have no idea how to explain the diameter sizing, that's odd. Have you asked CPC?

 

[MrBo]

I haven't yet but intend to at least make David aware of it in case other folks inquire. I'm assuming it's just yet another ASM Vegas issue and the CPC chips are standard. Need to find a friend with a digital micrometer.

 

[dimperdoo]

were it not for "retro love," i would prefer the CPC mixes across the board ~they seem brighter & cleaner {if you will} ~they "pop" more?

part of me likes the more muted/aged feel of the "classics." but, i'm coming around. The size thing is interesting. i do like a heftier chip {a'la the samurai place?} Seeing this I compared my custom ASMs to some samples that are CPC recent. it doesn't seem like the difference is as significant on the ones I have as the pix

 

[bergs]

That's a bummer about the mandarin red - it's the workhorse chip in alot of legacy custom sets and adding on will be markedly different now.

 

[Irish]

IIRC some of the color changes had to do with certain dyes being discontinued at one point, so CPC has to reconfigure a few color formulas.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I will just say (once again) that in a conversation with JimB about chips and colors, he stressed that chip colors vary depending upon the mold. The DG Orange above is an excellent example. While the 2 colors look radically different at first glance, look at the "smooth" part of the chips. The "crown" in the A-mold has the nearly identical color to the majority of the CirSqu.

It's also important to notice the flash altering the colors. In the Chocolate ASM, the top half of the chip is radically different from the bottom half of the chip.

This is a great thread with useful information (you also mentioned that molds would have an effect), but full disclosure - this is comparing apples to oranges (well, tangerines to oranges at least).

 

[hod]

That's a bummer about the mandarin red - it's the workhorse chip in alot of legacy custom sets and adding on will be markedly different now.

Very true, my set also has a lot of blues also. I was looking at adding on to a set of solids, but I didn't realise that so many colours were now different (in my opinion for the better mostly), and arguably would be more obvious with solids too.

Very useful thread, with no shortage of work from the OP, thanks @courage... even if it has pointed me down the road to a whole new set...

Edit - have your chips been handled/ do the molds make much difference?

Edit the edit - partly answered as I posted

 

[courage]

I will just say (once again) that in a conversation with JimB about chips and colors, he stressed that chip colors vary depending upon the mold. The DG Orange above is an excellent example. While the 2 colors look radically different at first glance, look at the "smooth" part of the chips. The "crown" in the A-mold has the nearly identical color to the majority of the CirSqu.

That color varies according to mold makes no sense to me since the composition would be the same, unless you mean reflected light which I should have spelled out in more detail in my comments on differing molds. The A-mold being more textured than circle square has an effect which I believe you're describing.

It's also important to notice the flash altering the colors.

No flash was used.

 

[courage]

IIRC some of the color changes had to do with certain dyes being discontinued at one point, so CPC has to reconfigure a few color formulas.

Agreed, it'd be good to know which have changed. AFAIK it was pink and dg green, but maybe other colors were affected?

 

[Irish]

AFAIK it was pink and dg green, but maybe other colors were affected?

Those are the two I remember as well.

When comparing the old ASM colors to the new CPC color samples, I found that comparing the sides of the chips to be more helpful. As stated above, the mold (moreso the chip face texture) can have an impact on the chip color (especially when photographing). I found blue and pink to be the furthest "off". I have an add-on order in the queue that includes imperial blue, DG pink and DG green; comparing my old chips to the color samples some of them were slightly off, but it didn't seem to be too bad so I went forward with the order. Keeping my fingers crossed that the colors won't be too different. My set is on the HG mold so I've got a while to wait.

 

[courage]

Great point, Irish. If I find time I'll do comparison pics of edges in sunlight.

 

[bivey]

Good stuff. Thanks to all above for weighing in. I too use the edges to compare colors as the molds very much affect the way light bounces of the textures. HHR has much more texture than FDL and it has less glare thus changing how the eye perceives the color.

I have CSQ on the way but my CPC color samples are scroll. I'll be interested to compare how colors came out.

 

[Mojo1312]

Great information. Will have to order a new sample set from CPC. Overall, the colors do seem richer.

 

[David Spragg]

Thanks for taking the time to post this. I just got a CPC add-on to my ASM Vegas set and thought I noticed some variation in the dark blues. Hard to tell with the new ones being both chalky and then all oiled up.

ASM Vegas on left, CPC on right

I was more troubled with the diameter differences than color differences since I'm not putting them in play together. ASM Vegas in between CPC's.

More info and pics here if interested: http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/bo-manor-asm-vegas-fdl-pr0n-re-post.7894/#post-196043

Oil and handling would have affected the dark blue a bit. Eventually they will blend together but the DG peacock probably creates an illusion of difference also.
Diameters we dealt with in email and can sort.

 

[courage]

Thanks to the suggestion from @Irish, here are some edge pics comparing my ASM sample set to my CPC sample in natural light.

Bottom row: CPC bright white, ASM white, CPC white, ASM grey, CPC grey, ASM charcoal, CPC charcoal, ASM black, CPC black, ASM lt blue, CPC lt blue, ASM imperial blue, CPC imperial blue, ASM blue, CPC blue, CPC dg peacock, ASM dark blue, CPC dark blue, ASM retro blue, CPC retro blue.

ASM dg green, CPC dg green, ASM lt green, CPC lt green, ASM green, CPC green, ASM retro green, CPC retro green, ASM dark green, CPC dark green, ASM dg yellow, CPC dg yellow, ASM canary (add-on), CPC canary, CPC dg saturn, ASM yellow, CPC yellow, ASM butterscotch, CPC butterscotch

ASM dg pink, CPC dg pink, ASM pink, CPC new pink, ASM retro lavender, CPC retro lavender, ASM lavender, CPC lavender, ASM purple, CPC purple, CPC blurple, ASM arc yellow, CPC arc yellow, ASM dg peach, CPC dg peach, CPC dg tiger, ASM orange, CPC orange, ASM dg orange, CPC dg orange.

ASM lt chocolate, CPC lt chocolate, ASM chocolate, CPC chocolate, ASM maroon (add-on), CPC maroon, ASM mandarin red, CPC mandarin red, ASM red, CPC red, ASM retro red, CPC retro red.

 

[David Spragg]

Thanks to the suggestion from @Irish, here are some edge pics comparing my ASM sample set to my CPC sample in natural light.

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Bottom row: CPC bright white, ASM white, CPC white, ASM grey, CPC grey, ASM charcoal, CPC charcoal, ASM black, CPC black, ASM lt blue, CPC lt blue, ASM imperial blue, CPC imperial blue, ASM blue, CPC blue, CPC dg peacock, ASM dark blue, CPC dark blue, ASM retro blue, CPC retro blue.
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ASM dg green, CPC dg green, ASM lt green, CPC lt green, ASM green, CPC green, ASM retro green, CPC retro green, ASM dark green, CPC dark green, ASM dg yellow, CPC dg yellow, ASM canary (add-on), CPC canary, CPC dg saturn, ASM yellow, CPC yellow, ASM butterscotch, CPC butterscotch
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ASM dg pink, CPC dg pink, ASM pink, CPC new pink, ASM retro lavender, CPC retro lavender, ASM lavender, CPC lavender, ASM purple, CPC purple, CPC blurple, ASM arc yellow, CPC arc yellow, ASM dg peach, CPC dg peach, CPC dg tiger, ASM orange, CPC orange, ASM dg orange, CPC dg orange.
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ASM lt chocolate, CPC lt chocolate, ASM chocolate, CPC chocolate, ASM maroon (add-on), CPC maroon, ASM mandarin red, CPC mandarin red, ASM red, CPC red, ASM retro red, CPC retro red.
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How old are the ASM's? They seem really light on brass which affects the colors a lot.

 

[courage]

How old are the ASM's? They seem really light on brass which affects the colors a lot.

2010.

It's caused me a bit of concern regarding my pending add-on, base colors of light green, imperial blue, butterscotch. Love most of the changes as much improved versions, but I don't know if this should concern owners of "older" sets.

 

[jbutler]

Chris thanks for doing this. I haven't gotten a CPC sample so this is helpful (though obv not a true substitute). For the majority of those where there is a noticeable (to me) difference, I prefer CPC's versions. The exceptions for me are pink, imperial blue, and perhaps dg green. I actually really like the dg green and would still likely use it, but it is definitely a different color from the original ASM.

 

[David Spragg]

2010.

It's caused me a bit of concern regarding my pending add-on, base colors of light green, imperial blue, butterscotch. Love most of the changes as much improved versions, but I don't know if this should concern owners of "older" sets.

There is not a lot that can be done. Suppliers regularly change ingredients without even telling anyone. However, edges are not always a good way of comparing. Over 6 years your chips would have changed considerably, from air exposure alone. As was mentioned elsewhere, they will look different on different molds also. Not just the finish but differing heats and pressures.
Just a guess - are the ASM chips CSQ?

 

[courage]

There is not a lot that can be done. Suppliers regularly change ingredients without even telling anyone. However, edges are not always a good way of comparing. Over 6 years your chips would have changed considerably, from air exposure alone. As was mentioned elsewhere, they will look different on different molds also. Not just the finish but differing heats and pressures.
Just a guess - are the ASM chips CSQ?

Yes, sir, many of my 2010 set are CSQ, some A-mold, some HHR.

I understand and appreciate your situation... I should have made clear this isn't a CPC-bashing thread. It would be a nightmare to try to approximate past colors and eventually lead to no standard for current chips. Even more incentive for buyers to load up as much as they can on their initial order.

My twin spires set has had so many add-ons I've lost track, but the color matching and quality has been amazingly close thus far... oops, except for that ASM-Vegas thing I've blocked out of my mind.

 

[courage]

Chris thanks for doing this. I haven't gotten a CPC sample so this is helpful (though obv not a true substitute). For the majority of those where there is a noticeable (to me) difference, I prefer CPC's versions. The exceptions for me are pink, imperial blue, and perhaps dg green. I actually really like the dg green and would still likely use it, but it is definitely a different color from the original ASM.

Yes most of the colors are much improved, but my list where ASM looks better would be black, imperial blue, and pink.

 

[jbutler]

Yes most of the colors are much improved, but my list where ASM looks better would be black, imperial blue, and pink.

Oh yeah black as well. Much flakes in version 2.0.

 

[Toby]

Great thread! Where's the DG Salmon tho?

 

[72o]

Interesting thead. As David pointed out, the ASMs do look lighter on the brass across the board. I wonder if the weights are different as well...newer CPC chips a little heavier maybe?

 

[Poker Zombie]

I was wondering if the ASMs have less brass, of if they've oxidised over the years, thus discoloring and darkening the chip.

+1 to the load up when you buy concept. If I ever did another set, I would make sure it could handle 50 players, just in case @Mr Tree writes me into his will as the inheritor of his house.

Mind you, there is a verrrry slim chance I would outlive Tree, his wife, and his kids... Still more likely than fitting 50 players into my home, and I would still buy a set large enough to cover the eventuality.

 

[David Spragg]

I was wondering if the ASMs have less brass, of if they've oxidised over the years, thus discoloring and darkening the chip.

+1 to the load up when you buy concept. If I ever did another set, I would make sure it could handle 50 players, just in case @Mr Tree writes me into his will as the inheritor of his house.

Mind you, there is a verrrry slim chance I would outlive Tree, his wife, and his kids... Still more likely than fitting 50 players into my home, and I would still buy a set large enough to cover the eventuality.

Should I stay up for another hour in anticipation of your order?
Btw, as they bust out of the tourney they will want to start a cash game so you need 2 sets

 

[Ben]

Here's a comparison pic I took when working on some color-matching with @Gear - it seems that, at least with regard to "white," it's not just an ASM vs. CPC difference, but a progression over the years.

Here you see a Shawn Anthony's chip (not sure of age but older - maybe 2004-05? New label removed to protect the innocent) along with a Mt. Cook chip (2008 or 2009), Hitching Post (2013 - Vegas) and Blades (2015 - CPC.) They got gradually less off-white/cream-colored over the years (a very good thing - but makes matching older ones challenging!)