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Critique Me; Flopped two pair and folded.... (2 Viewers)

Pinesol13

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Ok. Let me start by saying a couple of things; I'm fairly confident in saying that I'm not a great poker player:ROFL: :ROFLMAO:...I love playing, I know basic strategy but that's about it. But I've decided to actually dedicate some time to trying to improve. So that's why I'm posting this.

I was playing a $1/$3 cash game at a local casino recently and I'm curious to know what others would have done in this hand.

I'm in middle position with :tc::as:. Pre-flop action was everyone limped in, including me, got around to the big blind and he raised. I can't remember if he raised to $12 or $15. Four players call and we see the flop.

Side note: I'm assuming I'm going to get some heat for limping in with A 10 but for the time being please do your best to ignore that part. :LOL: :laugh:

Flop comes :td::qh::ad:

Big blind bets $40, guy next to him calls, it's on me and I think for a minute and fold.

So this was my thought process: One player already called, two more are behind me. If one or both of them call I'm facing 3-4 players; how often will two pair end up being good on this board against that many players? There are several hands that have me beat ( AQ, KJ, any set ) and if a J or K ( or 9...?) or any diamond come on the turn or river I assume I'm beat as well.

One player behind me folded, another called. Big blind bet again on the turn, but I don't remember how much. One player folded. He bet again on the river and the last player folded so I didn't get to see anyones cards. I hate to say it but I don't remember what the turn and river cards were, I think I was too busy hating on myself in my head.

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So what do you think? Super nitty, or a decent fold in some spots?

I appreciate the help!
 
I probably would have re raised and lost all my monies

FWIW your fold doesn't seem *totally* unreasonable
 
Pretty interesting hand. I think I would have shoved. The stack sizes are also suuuuuper relevant because if everyone was super deep you can justify a fold here being out of position with a raise, call and two to act after you. If the stacks were reasonable I would probably shove. You're blocking AQ and the ace of diamonds is on the board so maybe a hand like KQ of diamonds or someone on a worse flush draw with no piece of the board. If someone has KJ I'm probably ready to stack off (again as long as the stacks are not super deep). It's a really wet board with a lot of draws so it's time to drop the hammer. A set of queens would would also suck to be up against, but you'd technically have outs lol.
 
sheikh617 said:
Pretty interesting hand. I think I would have shoved. The stack sizes are also suuuuuper relevant because if everyone was super deep you can justify a fold here being out of position with a raise, call and two to act after you. If the stacks were reasonable I would probably shove. You're blocking AQ and the ace of diamonds is on the board so maybe a hand like KQ of diamonds or someone on a worse flush draw with no piece of the board. If someone has KJ I'm probably ready to stack off (again as long as the stacks are not super deep). It's a really wet board with a lot of draws so it's time to drop the hammer. A set of queens would would also suck to be up against, but you'd technically have outs lol.
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Good point he may have had king diamond or 2 strong diamonds j9 maybe
 
Pinesol13 said:
I'm in middle position with :tc::as:. Pre-flop action was everyone limped in, including me, got around to the big blind and he raised. I can't remember if he raised to $12 or $15. Four players call and we see the flop
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Punish the limpers with a raise or get out now. You have an easily dominated hand, your ace isn't suited, and you'll have position for the whole hand if everyone folds to the blinds and limpers.

Pinesol13 said:
Flop comes :td::qh::ad:

Big blind bets $40, guy next to him calls, it's on me and I think for a minute and fold.
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Aside from flopping a boat, trip tens, or your own broadway straight, this is a good flop for your hand. Having said that, you can't cold call. You need to raise the big blind's bet now when you're most likely to be ahead. The counterpoint to this is that there a boatload of bad turn cards for you so your hand, while strong, is rather fragile too. The fold is the second best option next to raising, I'm glad you didn't cold call.

The fact that the big blind bet all 3 streets would lead me to believe that you were in for a world of hurt had you raised him on the flop. Yes you flopped a good hand, but you cut your losses for only the $15 you invested on a rather scary board.

Now if you had only $100 - $200 left in your stack after calling the $15 preflop, an all-in bet would be more than appropriate after seeing a $40 bet followed by a call.
 
FordPickup92 said:
Good point he may have had king diamond or 2 strong diamonds j9 maybe
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Or he could’ve had much worse. I’d raise almost ATC in the big blind when everyone limps before me. You can represent almost anything if a board such as this comes out.

Anyone with Face cards would’ve likely raised pre
 
RichMahogany said:
Or he could’ve had much worse. I’d raise almost ATC in the big blind when everyone limps before me. You can represent almost anything if a board such as this comes out.

Anyone with Face cards would’ve likely raised pre
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So I'm not totally crazy for *most likely* re raising?
 
Saoliver said:
If you are going to play :as::tc: from middle position, you have to play this flop aggressively. Like @Kain8 said, you won't get much better flops than this. However, a lot of turn cards are ugly.
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I'm usually pretty aggressive when I feel confident. I'm also better reading the other player in person. I dont really have a read here
 
Without information on stack sizes, I definitely would have raised the pot. NO WAY IN HELL broadway leads out under the gun, and broadway doesn't just call the 40 it would have raised to 80. More likely here under the gun had an Ace, and the caller was on the diamond draw. Raise to 150 here. Both the top pair and the diamond draw will call, while broadway would re-raise. This is a situation where you use your pot size bet to probe for information
 
So let's say it was raised to $15. Pot after the flop bet and call is $155. After you call it will be $195. So if your stack was $250 or less on the flop, then this is just a jam and pray spot. Once you are in the territory of your jam being pot sized, then jamming is typically your only option with a strong but vulnerable hand
 
tabletalker7 said:
Without information on stack sizes, I definitely would have raised the pot. NO WAY IN HELL broadway leads out under the gun, and broadway doesn't just call the 40 it would have raised to 80. More likely here under the gun had an Ace, and the caller was on the diamond draw. Raise to 150 here. Both the top pair and the diamond draw will call, while broadway would re-raise. This is a situation where you use your pot size bet to probe for information
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Hmm I like. Good info/advice
 
tabletalker7 said:
Without information on stack sizes, I definitely would have raised the pot. NO WAY IN HELL broadway leads out under the gun, and broadway doesn't just call the 40 it would have raised to 80. More likely here under the gun had an Ace, and the caller was on the diamond draw. Raise to 150 here. Both the top pair and the diamond draw will call, while broadway would re-raise. This is a situation where you use your pot size bet to probe for information
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No way in hell Broadway leads out? Nonsense. There are 4 players behind and flopped Broadway doesn't block any two pair combos. If I had Broadway as the BB in this hand, I'm 100% firing to get value and hoping to get raised by 2 pair hands, flush draws, combo draws, and called by Ax hands and some flush draws.

It's a a disaster to check this flop with Broadway as the aggressor out of position.
 
The limp call from UTG is often a very strong hand. Although typically it goes limp raise three bet but when half the table limped and only the BB raised I am not sure if he does have a hand like QQ as he would want to protect it against half the table. Maybe he did have a hand like KJ(dd if we really want to see monsters under the bed). Obviously the Ax of diamond hands are eliminated. So while my initial reaction was you might be up against QQ from UTG he probably is something like AQ, AK tough to know without more info on playing styles. Can you provide any more details about the players? Also BB might have air or some connected diamonds (6/7/8/9) but seems like a standard cbet facing no real challengers (limps around /big raise /most everyone calls). You haven’t put anyone to the test yet so no way to know where you are. Often if I can’t figure out where I am or what I think will happen next a fold is more than acceptable, just have a plan next time. As it stands if you do put someone to the test it’s for all most, if not all of your chips, a lot can happen with the next two cards. Honestly middle position with A10o I’m usually folding, maybe table dynamics and mix up play maybe I raise pre but generally folding, as even if you hit the flop as you have there is way too many questions as to where you stand.
 
Legend5555 said:
No way in hell Broadway leads out? Nonsense. There are 4 players behind and flopped Broadway doesn't block any two pair combos. If I had Broadway as the BB in this hand, I'm 100% firing to get value and hoping to get raised by 2 pair hands, flush draws, cbo draws, and called by Ax hands and some flush draws.

It's a a disaster to check this flop with Broadway as the aggressor out of position.
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If I am under the gun and flop broadway I am DEFINITELY checking. Let someone else lead out so I can do the check-raise. Broadway doesn't lead out under the gun, not if it wants max return
 
tabletalker7 said:
If I am under the gun and flop broadway I am DEFINITELY checking. Let someone else lead out so I can do the check-raise. Broadway doesn't lead out under the gun, not if it wants max return
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The check raise gives away your hand. Leading out means you could have a lot of different things. Besides you can't guarantee anyone bets. The best way to win big money with big hands is to play them fast.
 
Forty4 said:
I’m probably only checking if I have KJdd
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I agree as it blocks the best flush draws. Though, even then, there are so many people behind, I'd probably still bet a decent % of the time. Just so likely someone has an A, 2 pair, or pair+gutter.
 
Thanks for all the replies so far. Here's some more information.

Guy in big blind just sat down at the table recently, along with one of the players that was behind me. Couldn't tell if they were together or just happened to get seated at the same time. Before the two of them sat the table was playing slightly tight/passive. Once these two guys sat it was like an explosion of action for the next several hands. Big blind guy won two big pots by flopping a set both times. Hard for me to get a read on him bc he wasn't playing for long. He was being aggressive, but he also had monster hands.


My stack was about $600 (buy-in was $300) , big blind definitely had me covered, probably had $800. The other players were all in the $200-$300 stack range.

One more piece of information: I'm betting that most people will tell me this shouldn't matter, but I was planning on leaving the table in a few hands. My plan was to play until about 4pm, it was probably 3:50pm. So in my head I was thinking "play a few more hands until you're on the button, then leave after that hand". So I was feeling extra protective of my $300 profit that I was sitting on.

I did consider a re-raise, but I didn't love the idea of going head to head in a monster pot with the only guy at the table that could felt me when I was planning on leaving in 10 minutes
 

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