CSQ Mold Set. LAW (1 Viewer)

[Mushmanchuman]

Here’s a cool lil (semi) playable CSQ set I scored from marketplace. They were somewhere up in Montana. I plan to mill them myself and slap on some custom labels.

Here they are oiled and mostly dried.

 

[Dingdingding]

These really pop, nice score!

 

[SwissChip]

Timeless classic chips!
Good luck for the milling process.

 

[Mushmanchuman]

Timeless classic chips!
Good luck for the milling process.

Will I need it with these chips specifically or in general? These have less meat on them then thc’s for sure.

 

[SwissChip]

In general - i never milled a chip, but i guess i would destroy half of them.
So good success!

 

[Jeff in Iowa]

Nice Chips.

BTW, the order records for the Portland Card Co (Portland, OR) who owned the CSQ mold and hot stamped those chips still exist, and summaries of those records are in the The Gaming Table (2017).

Your chips were sold to Chuck Colier, Oxford Bar and Billiards, 331 First Street, Haver, Montana, in 1976. He ordered just the four colors, which you have.

The chips were made by the Burt company. You can actually see that by looking at the edges of the chips, which are missing the brass filings. I believe that ASM was the first to use brass. Burt used other metals to add weight to their chips.

 

[Mushmanchuman]

Nice Chips.

BTW, the order records for the Portland Card Co (Portland, OR) who owned the CSQ mold and hot stamped those chips still exist, and summaries of those records are in the The Gaming Table (2017).

Your chips were sold to Chuck Colier, Oxford Bar and Billiards, 331 First Street, Haver, Montana, in 1976. He ordered just the four colors, which you have.

The chips were made by the Burt company. You can actually see that by looking at the sides of the chips, which are missing the brass filings. I believe that ASM was the first to use brass. Burt used other metals to add weight to their chips.

That’s awesome man. I didn’t know there were records for these sets. Does it say how many chips were made total?

 

[Jeff in Iowa]

That’s awesome man. I didn’t know there were records for these sets. Does it say how many chips were made total?

The number of chips sold is the main thing missing from The Gaming Table records. Chip numbers and probably some additional information would be on the original order card. The person who owns those cards has not yet made the actual cards public.

 

[Jeff in Iowa]

BTW, the Oxford Bar is still open, at the same address in Havre, and still offers poker. I'm guessing that they have replaced their chips several times since they ordered those CSQ chips.

 

[Mushmanchuman]

The dude that sold them to me is a dealer in the town at a "bar/club". He didn't say the name the though. I'm sure it's the same place. They got some old pictures on the https://www.facebook.com/groups/361506391823050/ FB but I haven't found any of Chuck yet.

 

[allforcharity]

From my experience these chips are fairly straightforward to mill. I practiced on ASMs before doing my Paulson THC projects.

 

[LawdyD]

Here’s a cool lil (semi) playable CSQ set I scored from marketplace. They were somewhere up in Montana. I plan to mill them myself and slap on some custom labels.

Here they are oiled and mostly dried.
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New here, so be gentle.

Are CSQ molds exclusive to CPC/ASM? Or is this mold seen with other manufacturers?

 

[Dingdingding]

New here, so be gentle.

Are CSQ molds exclusive to CPC/ASM? Or is this mold seen with other manufacturers?

Nowadays they are, but the actual mold was made for a company that does not longer exist back in 1948.

You can find more information on this and a few other molds here: http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/molddesign_geometric.htm

 

[LawdyD]

Nowadays they are, but the actual mold was made for a company that does not longer exist back in 1948.

You can find more information on this and a few other molds here: http://www.antiquegamblingchips.com/molddesign_geometric.htm

Thank you. That’s an excellent resource

 

[Mushmanchuman]

New here, so be gentle.

Are CSQ molds exclusive to CPC/ASM? Or is this mold seen with other manufacturers?

It’s crazy how the molds get sold and used by different companies ain’t it!?

From what I’ve read it comes around every so often at CPC and people are always excited.

Because CPC owns the mold does that mean that someone like Tina can never copy it? They’ve done the web and other molds now.

 

[raynmanas]

Because CPC owns the mold does that mean that someone like Tina can never copy it?

Tina is in China. If someone is willing to pay for it, she will 100% copy the CSQ, along with absolutely any other mold or chip design.

 

[Dingdingding]

It’s crazy how the molds get sold and used by different companies ain’t it!?

From what I’ve read it comes around every so often at CPC and people are always excited.

Because CPC owns the mold does that mean that someone like Tina can never copy it? They’ve done the web and other molds now.

China can and will copy or imitate whatever they feel is profitable. But the chips are very different, regardless of the embossed pattern. As for the compression clay chip molds i understand that these were trademarks of the companies where you could order chips and creating a mold was quite costly and still is. Especially for compression molded chips without plastic in their composition like CPC. So basically the process of creating these is kind of a lost craftmanship and they use what is still there from former decades.

When some of these older molds wear out from use, most likely they will be retired and not recreated. Happened to a couple of molds in the past like for example the Nevada Mold or the Roman Mold.

 

[Mushmanchuman]

Nice Chips.

BTW, the order records for the Portland Card Co (Portland, OR) who owned the CSQ mold and hot stamped those chips still exist, and summaries of those records are in the The Gaming Table (2017).

Your chips were sold to Chuck Colier, Oxford Bar and Billiards, 331 First Street, Haver, Montana, in 1976. He ordered just the four colors, which you have.

The chips were made by the Burt company. You can actually see that by looking at the edges of the chips, which are missing the brass filings. I believe that ASM was the first to use brass. Burt used other metals to add weight to their chips.

Found out that Chuck was friends with dudes Grandpa. His name was Lynn Walker. Thus the LAW. Pretty cool to find all this out just off a set of chips.

 

[LeLe]

Because CPC owns the mold does that mean that someone like Tina can never copy it? They’ve done the web and other molds now.

Tina is in China. If someone is willing to pay for it, she will 100% copy the CSQ, along with absolutely any other mold or chip design

Each country has its own unique copyright laws that govern intellectual property (like copyright) in that country. A country's copyright laws only apply to works created and used in that country. This means that the copyright an author holds in the United States may not be valid in other countries

I might be wrong but technically u can still get sue if u are a Tina reseller located in US

 

[raynmanas]

Each country has its own unique copyright laws that govern intellectual property (like copyright) in that country. A country's copyright laws only apply to works created and used in that country. This means that the copyright an author holds in the United States may not be valid in other countries

I might be wrong but technically u can still get sue if u are a Tina reseller located in US

legality is its own issue and i am not a lawyer, but she *will* copy them for enough money, and that's all i said.