Customizing an existing chip set? (1 Viewer)

[GoStumpy]

Would it be completely sacrilegious to 'deface' a THC or RHC (I don't know the difference, lol) chip with a custom, but copied, inset?

I'm thinking of 25c Fracs (I hope I'm getting the terminology right here) of the PCA's (which I don't believe exist) by finding what would be a great and suitable colors of another chip, and getting custom labels made to replace what's currently on there.

Has this been done? Should it not be done?

Just something I thought of.......

Say, this:

With this style label, but instead of 50c it would be 25c:

 

[CHP TD]

Hell no!

do what u want. there are plenty of designers on the site. I have mine done by quicksilvewr 75. he did the chip in my avitar.

 

[AK Chip]

Another Quicksilver-75

 

[kmccormick100]

Relabeling isn't frowned upon, it's encouraged usually, there's even a subforum for it in the custom chips area, just don't completely remove the original inlay on rare paulsons haha

 

[72o]

Or search for some of these semi-custom PCA quarters from a CT group-buy back in the day:

 

[Blaster]

Would it be completely sacrilegious to 'deface' a THC or RHC (I don't know the difference, lol) chip with a custom, but copied, inset? ...

It's being done too much, IMO ...
It almost seems that TR Kings, Paulsons, are almost now being considered like China Chips by many posters, get some, "get off the original inlay , & put a nice sticker on 'em ..."
Don't count me as someone who "encourages" removing original molded inlays from Paulsons or TRK's ...
... I really don't have a problem with the occasional project by someone, or using, say, roulettes to make a 25 cent chip with a sticker .... , & a stickered over Paul;son can look great in a photo, especially if the artwork is good, but it's just not something I'd want to do .,.
But it seem that, compared to just a few years ago, there's just a lot more of this going on, it was never "on my radar" until recently ...
Some people want to keep that 1969 Olds 442 w/V8 as original as possible, while others need to get one so they can drop in a 2010 VW turbo 4, & drill in "cool" dungeons & dragons Hood & Trunk ornaments ....

 

[detroitdad]

THC or RHC

I just learned this myself lol.

THC-Top Hat and Cane

RHC-Reverse Hat and Cane

 

[GoStumpy]

^^ Yeah just figured it out this morning

 

[DJ Mack]

It's your property* so do what you want, but be forewarned that 99% of the time the inlay is going to be destroyed in the process of taking it off. Just so you don't have an expectation of ever being able to put it back together again. To me, yanking $1 inlays off production chips to reuse a Paulson is one thing. I've done it with the full knowledge that chips aren't currency so if things go awry I can't tape the ripped inlay back together and turn it in at the casino cashier.

But I would draw the line at casinos that are now closed. Those might have some value beyond face someday.

* Notwithstanding the technicalities of the gaming laws in Nevada and elsewhere.

 

[TheBigTater]

I would submit this:

Is the chipping world, or Abe Lincoln fans, going to lose sleep over a few less of these out there.

When you can have some of these if you need them.

And if the Lincoln fanatics storm you home with pitchforks you can always remove the label/sticker and go back to this.

No harm, no foul.

 

[rowlin]

And bonus points to BT for quoting Chick Hearn.

 

[pltrgyst]

Is the chipping world, or Abe Lincoln fans, going to lose sleep over a few less of these out there.

No, because those are just fantasy chips that were done with presidents, dogs, and dog knows what else on them.

Though I'd rather see them relabeled as Horseshoe Casino $5s, myself.

And IMO, those as GV quarters look terrific. I might have to do that with my rack of Dalmatians... :

 

[Poker Zombie]

It comes down to the rarity of the chip you're about to deface. I'm knees-deep in the artwork stage of a relabel project right now. I'm going to remove the Ambassador Plaza Puerto Rico labels and Zombify them. Why? Because I can, and they were cheap.

However, tearing up a chip that you see in a member's sig as "wanted" - that may get you some ugly stares.

 

[Shaggy]

To clarify, there are two topics at hand here... 1. placing a label over an existing inlay without damaging the chip... and 2. removing the inlay and adding a thicker label.

#1 is always reversible and imho an excellent solution.
#2 results in a slightly higher quality result (thicker label with overlay), but destroys the "collectibility" of the chip. imho this should only be considered on fantasy chips... or extremely readily available cancelled casino chips.

 

[TheBigTater]

It comes down to the rarity of the chip you're about to deface. I'm knees-deep in the artwork stage of a relabel project right now. I'm going to remove the Ambassador Plaza Puerto Rico labels and Zombify them. Why? Because I can, and they were cheap.

However, tearing up a chip that you see in a member's sig as "wanted" - that may get you some ugly stares.

Uh-oh? I have some of these slated for a relabel project.

 

[GoStumpy]

@Shaggy Good explanation... I am completely in the boat of not defacing valuable collectables, I am completely assuming that there are readily available cancelled casino chips, but perhaps I'm mistaken in that.. Can you think of any?

I like the idea of the placing a new label over the existing inlay

 

[bentax1978]

To clarify, there are two topics at hand here... 1. placing a label over an existing inlay without damaging the chip... and 2. removing the inlay and adding a thicker label.

#1 is always reversible and imho an excellent solution.
#2 results in a slightly higher quality result (thicker label with overlay), but destroys the "collectibility" of the chip. imho this should only be considered on fantasy chips... or extremely readily available cancelled casino chips.

I would add #2a - I see no harm in removing the inlays from currently available (and still in production) casino $1 chips as @DJ Mack mentioned in his post.

I'm currently defacing a couple racks of used Venetian/Palazzo $1 chips that I harvested a couple months ago. They are plentiful, cost $1/each, and destroying a couple racks doesn't impact any else's ability to get their hands on more of them. As far as I'm concerned, it's no different than if I could buy blanks from Paulson.

The $100 chip below was made from a casino chips with a giant cancellation hot stamps on them. In their as-received condition, they're pretty useless IMO. So again, this is a case where removing the inlay and replacing it makes sense (to me).

Most of my other projects fall into category #1, where the chip isn't being damaged in any way and the process is 100% reversible. (specifically the Pier Five and Stardust Limit set)

 

[GoStumpy]

Can you inlay over hot stamps?

 

[bentax1978]

Can you inlay over hot stamps?

Generally no. Sometimes there is enough recess depth to put a label over the hot stamp, but the result is typically bad as the contours of the hot stamp will show through the thin label. In other cases there isn't enough recess depth to do it. So pretty much in all cases you're best off milling/scraping the chip surface smooth before adding a label. Some worn hot stamps can be labeled directly over, but often if they're worn enough to be smooth, there isn't enough recess depth left for a label.

 

[DJ Mack]

The $100 chip below was made from a casino chips with a giant cancellation hot stamps on them

So how did you work around the hotstamp for your new inlay? Did you wind up milling it down or was the stamp just impacting the old inlay?

 

[bentax1978]

So how did you work around the hotstamp for your new inlay? Did you wind up milling it down or was the stamp just impacting the old inlay?

The hotstamp only impacted the old inlay. So when the inlay was removed, all that is left is the void where old inlay used to be. That area is replaced with a laminated label that has been cut to the exact shape of the (cog-shaped) inlay. Also, ASAIK, these particular chips were cancelled and never put into circulation because of a misspelling of the casino name, yet another reason that removing the inlay and replacing it doesn't bother me in a case like this.

Here's a picture from the web (not mine) that shows the hotstamp on the inlay.

 

[DJ Mack]

The hotstamp only impacted the old inlay. So when the inlay was removed, all that is left is the void where old inlay used to be. That area is replaced with a laminated label that has been cut to the exact shape of the (cog-shaped) inlay. Also, ASAIK, these particular chips were cancelled and never put into circulation because of a misspelling of the casino name, yet another reason that removing the inlay and replacing it doesn't bother me in a case like this.

Yeah that worked out in your favor then. I wonder who had to pay for the big mistake. I can only imagine there were 100,000's of them minted given the usual minimums.

 

[bentax1978]

Yeah that worked out in your favor then. I wonder who had to pay for the big mistake. I can only imagine there were 100,000's of them minted given the usual minimums.

I honestly don't much about it beyond the misspelling (Hinkley vs Hinckley). I don't think there were nearly that many made, nor how many are "out there", but my gut tells me it's not nearly 100k+.

 

[BGinGA]

And IMO, those as GV quarters look terrific.

No kidding. Never have been a big fan of those particular 312-spotted fantasy chips, but damn, that's one of the nicest relabeled racks I've ever seen.

 

[TheBigTater]

No kidding. Never have been a big fan of those particular 312-spotted fantasy chips, but damn, that's one of the nicest relabeled racks I've ever seen.

Have to give a shout out to @Quicksilver-75 who did the labels for me damn near 2 years ago. I've tried out a "bunch" of different chips looking for a good match before I finally settled on these for the frac.

 

[Quicksilver-75]

Holy F'n Memories! @TheBigTater I never did get to see the finished product. NICE!

 

[jeff123]

To clarify, there are two topics at hand here... 1. placing a label over an existing inlay without damaging the chip... and 2. removing the inlay and adding a thicker label.

#1 is always reversible and imho an excellent solution.
#2 results in a slightly higher quality result (thicker label with overlay), but destroys the "collectibility" of the chip. imho this should only be considered on fantasy chips... or extremely readily available cancelled casino chips.

Regarding "thicker label"
Is this absolutely necessary? I noticed on some chips there is some holes underneath the inlay. It isn't a flat smooth surface all the time. Would a thicker inlay be more beneficial?

And are there vendors out there currently that sell a thicker label?

 

[72o]

Or search for some of these semi-custom PCA quarters from a CT group-buy back in the day:

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@GoStumpy
If you are interested in the PCA semi-custom $.25 hot-stamps, there are some currently in the classifieds (not mine):
http://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/paulson-pca-and-avalon-25c-and-50c-fracs.12815/