Do you consider these chips mint? (1 Viewer)

[Meddler2]

I once received a brand new set of clay chips that were shipped to a vendor here then to me. There was a high percentage of warped chips. Vendor tried to resolve by replacing the chips and having them made and shipped to me directly. Same issue. My best guess is something happened during shipping that warped the chips. Afterwards I was basically told to eff off by the vendor. Subsequently I try to avoid buying, selling, shipping chips during hot months.

 

[raynmanas]

yeah. chips straight from the factory that have never even been taken out of the box can be wobbly like this. if they were warped in manufacturing, are they not mint? my opinion is that if the wobble is the only issue, they are as "mint" as colloquially understood here (sharp edges, never felted).

further to my own comment, there is basically another step to consider in our parlance that goes beyond "mint", and that is whether they also "stack like bricks". in my opinion, these can be mutually exclusive.

 

[MrCatPants]

...and that is whether they also "stack like bricks"...

 

[raynmanas]

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can you make that pile wobble?

again, we speak colloquially here. by the nature of our hobby, there must be an implied level of understanding and trust.

i feel like i should also point out i am not responding to OP - murdered chips cannot be considered mint by any definition.

 

[Stufflymcstuff]

Ime murdered (but otherwise mint) chips wobbling a bit when In large stacks is not unusual. I wouldn’t call them warped though. And It’s a lot less pronounced than what seems to be the case here.

 

[superchromix]

200 chips were sent in a small flat rate box with no protection between the chips or in the interior of the box. it was well packaged on the outside but 200 chips jammed into the box

Who did this?

200 premium chips in a SFRB without protection between the chips is *never* an acceptable way to ship. Never.

The stress on the chips in transit is most likely the source of the warping. For their negligence the seller should take them back or offer a significant discount.

Also no reason not to say who shipped chips in this way, so the rest of us can avoid the same issue.

 

[utgtrash]

mint is a useless term unless it is accepted as something like Excellent++ (in which case I’d prefer to say Excellent++)

Mint implies a perfect chip, in every way, so mint except being murdered and warped makes no sense to me except as deceptive. I’ve bought a lot of chips and the good sellers have informed me prior to the sale that there was some warping, spinners, etc in addition to the general wear level.

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

Angry Ben Book warning... it's been a while, Ye Bee Warned!! Lol

I have been fighting this fight since the begining of my time in this hobby. I recieved a barrel of chips described as "mint" and they were 5 times worse than that... some were flat out banana chips! I absolutely HATE that almost no one ever mentions the flatness of the chips.

I say this in all seriousness, over 70% of all clay chips that have ever come to my house have had some degree of warpage issue but almost never mentioned! I spend hours flattening chips then people say "well it should be mentioned that you have flattened the chips!" So that should be mentioned but not the fact that you are selling warped chips to begin with.

The forum defended the seller of that awful barrel that I purchased on eBay because it was a vendor here. I was told "that is just the way it is and accept it!"

Recently I saw a set sell that I had played and knew they were warped and no mention of them in the listing of being "Mint!"

Take 10 seconds, grab any clay barrel, sit it on a hardwood or granite counter top and tap the top edge, if they move AT ALL, I mean even in the slightest... you have warped chips in that barrel. The newer, the lighter and the brighter the chips are, the more prevalent it seems to be!

While typing this I picked up the 43mm Grand casino chips. The secondary 25k is supposed to be brand new... it's warped to sh*t

Change the order and hold them up to the light.. what do you know the sec $1k is warped
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It is almost impossible to show multiple gaps of light in a single picture from a barrel. Grab a chip set it on a flat surface and tap the top... most clay chips are warped even leaded THC, but typically less than these cheaper chips.

I recently bought a 944 chip set of FOC BCC, typically BCC doesn't have these issues but every single chip in the set was warped! It took me almost 2 months of flattening to get them close, every single day and absolutely no mention of the fact that some chips were difficult to fit 19 chips per barrel, yeah that warped!

I didn't get any level woth the face pictures but look at the height differences across this set. The chips are all near mint, no wear but look at the tops of the barrels, especially obvious from the $5s to the $25s... look at the shadows and height differences, they should all be the same.
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I did snap this lovely shot
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And BCCs are much more dense than Paulson. It takes multiple heating sessions for longer times to get them to move at all! It was terrible!! Are you telling me the seller had "no clue" these were warped. You could blow on them and they would wobble all over the place, literally made me sick and wanted to blow up on that guy, seri2 months to get them close flattening chips for 6 - 8 hours every damn day!

It's taboo to talk about so shhh!! You will get PM hate mail. This was bought from another vendor here
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For a premium price and again no mention of any warpage.

Got in a fight with a CCGT member on eBay, valued member runs some Colorado branch of the club. He said both sides shown which was a lie... same pic twice and wasn't even the same chip. Had all the proof, went to Spragg about it and nothing done. Asshole even tried to tell me it was worth more because warped chips are rare!
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Warped so bad the inlay was popping out!
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Not to mention the chip was dog Sh*t! Compared to the picture shown.
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Told me he didn't have time to take pictures of every chip... even though that is exactly how the listing read. Told me everyone does that, they use generic scans. He offered a refund if I sent the chip back. Why should I take the time to package, my money to ship, when you are being totally fraudulent. So what get my $10 back so you can force this on some other non knowing poor soul? Told him enjoy my $10 and kept the chip... still have it today!

Think AS NAGB are exempt?
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Absolutely not!

Don't worry folks.. in a couple days this will get pushed back under the rug until someone brings it up again.

It is mostly fixable if you know what you are doing and are careful. Most get inpatient and want faster ways and wind up squishing chips (makes an indentation around the ring of the chip)

But some of us have learned the art of fixing these poor souls. Before
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After (left two barrels)
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Btw with time they start warping again, same chips today about 5 months later
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The chips I flattened are on the left still and top 3 of the middle barrel. That took about 3 weeks to flatten 25 chips. If I did it again maybe they would stay a little flatter, this is an extreme example but shows well in pics. It can be done but extremely labor intensive and time consuming!

Keep up the fight of full transparency on chips. I absolutely think sharing the video and NOT calling out the seller shows a lot of class @mcguiles .. I would be pissed too! But know this happens all the time and is not discussed. 10 people will now likely send me a PM about flattening chips, it happens every time I talk about it. There is definitely not enough money to be made/damage risk to take that on for others. My oven would be running for hours every day!

BTW expect the same response from every single seller "they weren't like that when I had them... must have happened in shipping!" Ask me how I know

Edit** one more just for Poops and Giggles... how about brand spanking new out the box from Paulson RPCs
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Literally brand new 43mm IHCs . They ain't cheap either!

My yellow RPC never left the Kanuck basement
You can tell there is some wobble
The quality of new chips today from GPI FOR some colors is straight dog shit

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

The chips in the OP can't be considered mint when altered in any way/inlay removed/overlabeled. People need to quit using terms such as mint, excellent, VG, etc... and show pictured of the actual chips in the actual condition. Let people make their decision based on that. And if you can't get good pics to satisfy yourself them pass on buying. But obviously those Blue chips have suffered some other heat/storage event that have warped them to an extreme.

Also, hate to burst a lot of your bubbles but many "mint" chips right off the production line come out warped all the time so if you are expecting brand new chips to never be warped you are in dream land.

I think mint now here is 99% of the time referencing the edge quality
Like sharp and no bites or sign if use

 

[Ben8257]

I think mint now here is 99% of the time referencing the edge quality
Like sharp and no bites or sign if use

But that is exactly what we are questioning here. Should warpage not be mentioned when talking about a chips condition? I think so

 

[superchromix]

But that is exactly what we are questioning here. Should warpage not be mentioned when talking about a chips condition? I think so

It should definitely be stated.

So many ads with a photo of the chips from a bad angle and description: “judge the condition for yourself”.

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

But that is exactly what we are questioning here. Should warpage not be mentioned when talking about a chips condition? I think so

Warping yes absolutely
This goes back to another post you’ve made
These NAGB chips go into the back and are never touched or played
They may have never seen them haha
It’s kinda surprising how quick some of these new NAGB chips are warping
My yellow are a little wobbly on some

 

[upNdown]

It’s kinda surprising how quick some of these new NAGB chips are warping

But why would they be warping?

 

[HaRDHouSeiNC]

But why would they be warping?

Crap GPI quality is my guess
They aren’t very old
We’re stored in a cool place

 

[davin]

Maybe someone here would wana buy em for 400$ less , what’s the total for the 2 racks?

I’ve had new chips with slight warp on one or few chips and it will still cause a barrel to wobble like that. You can tell by putting a barrel in a paulson chip rack an it will be either tight or you will see a gap

 

[Goldfish]

This is very accurate. Murdered chips have a bigger tendency to warp specially with certain colors. Any bright colors and alot of blues too. Ive had this experience with some of my sets.

Is this true??? OMG. I murder everything.

 

[Goldfish]

@mcguiles if u still need these chips to be flattened, I will do it for you. Let me know. Thanks!