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Extracting value from OMC (1 Viewer)

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Went to the casino last night as the game I was heading to play was cancelled on the way there. Had a semi interesting hand where I'm sure I missed out on some value.

LP. OMC 1, has played very little hands. Basically getting blinded off. Have seen little aggression from him but seems to bet when he thinks he's ahead. $120

CO. OMC 2. This guy I've played with a few times. Most times he is nuts or nothing but I have seen him make some moves in previous sessions that didn't work out well for him. Have seen him call off light in the past. $200ish

BB. The Hero. Playing pretty LAG. Shown down some questionable hands. Had some bluffs called off. Stacked one guy multiple times making him rage and change tables. Sitting on $500 plus change.

Table is limp happy. Any raise under $15 will likely get called by most of the table. Especially if they are already "invested".

Blinds $2/$2

Whole table limps to hero who checks with Q8o.

Pot $18

Flop 68Qr

Sb checks. Hero bets $10. Folds to OMC 1 who raises to $25 total. OMC 2 calls. Folds to me. Raise? Call?
 
Against OMC I might be playing like a wimp but I like a call OOP. Don't overplay this and give away any information. He could have AQ, A8s, A6s or another big kicker. You are in a position to trap if you catch that boat. An A or K on the turn is big trouble.
 
I'm calling - what could they possibly have? OMCs don't just cold-call 2-bets in limped pots from other OMCs. OMC 1 has KQ and OMC 2 has 86s is the best scenario I can come up with, and still may be a bit of a stretch. I don't think we're getting stacks in unless one of them has a set - call here, hope the action slows down and you can get a little more out of them later.
 
Alright the board is dry as far as flush draws go. There's straight possibilities, but I can't see the OMC semi-bluffing in that spot. So what hands would he raise with that he believes are ahead here?

Queens with a good kicker or a set of 6's. Then there's the OMC who cold-called 2 bets, I'd likely range him in a similar fashion.

I think if we reraise here, we give away too much information and the OMC's will get away from hands we're ahead of, and kill us if they've got the set. I call and check-evaluate on the turn. I expect we're ahead most of the time here though.
 
Too bad the OP tells us that Hero wins in the end . . . I will try not to let that color my perspective.

Let's assume Hero's table read is accurate. I can put the first OMC on a good queen or better. OMC isn't holding 75 because he isn't limping that with such small stacks.

The second OMC concerns me greatly. I'd range him sets, then over pair, then a distant AQ and almost nothing else. Limp preflop, raise the flop bet from an OMC looks pretty strong to me.

I rate this call >(barely) fold >> raise. Raising is going to fold the weak hands and get Hero to stack off vs the better. If I were sure Hero's reads were right, I think a fold might end up as the best option. But in a casino game Hero's read might be wrong enough that top two pair is solid.

So I think Hero needs to be a calling station unless he fills up.

DrStrange
 
Agree that OMC1 has a "good" Q -- KQ or QJ or maybe QT
OMC2's cold call smells like a set of 6s or set of 8s or maybe just a Q like OMC1 (trying to not let the OP color my thinking)
I call and see the turn and likely check/calling unless something exciting happens
 
Ugh you guys. Raise all day. You have two OMCs who are showing strength. These people tend to not let go of their "big hands". Squeeze to $65 and hope one or both think you are trying to bully them. I'm thinking at least one will probably come along. As far as sets go, Doc, you have blockers to two of them. If he has bottom set nh gg you can still bink a better boat. I think AQ and KQ are far more likely with some 9Ts thrown in for good measure.
 
We know it ends well for Hero, so the obvious answer is never fold and bet/raise at some point. But the OMC players I know mean B U S I N E S S when the raise each other. ( I spit my coke when contemplating an OCM betting or raising with a 9T gutshot. )

DrStrange
 
Double gutter, and if he's trying some new thing out, this is not unbelievable. Top two pair on a dryish board and you are saying calling is barely better than folding, which is better than raising? I don't care if I'm playing against two super nits I'm never folding and always raising here.
 
Ok sorry Dr next time I'll leave the result til later :)

Hero calls. Yes the raise and flat by these 2 threw me off. Ranging is hard because I can't see both of them having 66. $93 pot.

Flop 68Q
Turn 8

Ok do we bet or check here?
 
Bet $45

Edit. We have a lag image so a lead out on a scare card by us is less scary than a checkraise or perhaps even a check call. an OMC is likely to view our bet with distrust and may look us up with just a queen here

The holy grail is one of them having 66 thinking he is trapping you

Edit # 2: We don't want this to get checked around. A half-pot bet here could be misconstrued as you doing a blocking bet with a weak Q, a draw or even just trying to scare the others off the pot because it's unlikely either has an 8 in their hand. So we may extract value from someone holding Qx with a good kicker, and we'll certainly get action against the underfull.
 
Pretending we don't know you won the hand. I would bet for value here but want to shove. Still a small chance a better boat could be there. 60 bucks into this pot. If you get raised I'm still shoving then for sure.
 
Yeah was worried it would get checked through. Shove river a Q is calling
 
So no other play than pot sized bet (or shove for that matter?)
 
Well not a lot going on here :)

I ended up betting $40. And both fold.

I thought $40 would get atleast one call. Omc 1 said "I had a Q had you beat on the flop.." And I believe he atleast had a Q probably AQ.

Looking back I think I should've bet the turn but imagine the same result.
 
I think maybe I guessed right here. What do you guys think? If you bet the turn, I don't see OMC folding so easy. The river 8 scared him off. Maybe the check raise is a the correct play and no more money can be extracted from OMC in this scenario.
 
slisk250 said:
I think maybe I guessed right here. What do you guys think? If you bet the turn, I don't see OMC folding so easy. The river 8 scared him off. Maybe the check raise is a the correct play and no more money can be extracted from OMC in this scenario.
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I dunno, the river 8 makes it less likely Hero has an 8 (since at that point there's only one left in the deck, compared with the turn when there's two left from Villians perspective). So if Villian is willing to fold a Q for such a small bet on the river, I guess that OMC is folding the turn too (which can be exploited, fwiw)
 

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