Flopping the nuts multiway in raised pot 1/2 (1 Viewer)

[Anthony Martino]

Most of the table is loose-passive, a couple of aggressive players at the far end of the table. Stack sizes range from $80 - $250. Hero has around $200 to start the hand

Crotchety old man on the button has straddled to $5. One of the blinds calls and an EP player calls, Hero is MP and calls with

Hijack and cutoff both call, then button straddle makes it $15. Button player had previously called a preflop raise with and then called a big bet on a flop and hit a on the turn and won a decent pot and seems like he likes to gamble it up.

everyone calls the $15 and we go to the flop:

Pot: $90

Flop:

Checks to Hero who has $185 remaining in his stack, Hero?

 

[gopherblue]

Seems like a table of maniacs.



Fuk it. I’m potting and playing for stacks.

 

[CraigT78]

I'm making this one $65-$75

 

[krafticus]

I’m going for the check-raise

 

[v1pe]

Is the old man passive or likely to take a stab?

If you think he's more passive I'd probably lead into him, $45-$50 ish, you want calls from pairs or over cards, and you can hope that EP goes for a check raise.

If you think he's going to cbet I'd try for the check raise.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Is the old man passive or likely to take a stab?

If you think he's more passive I'd probably lead into him, $45-$50 ish, you want calls from pairs or over cards, and you can hope that EP goes for a check raise.

If you think he's going to cbet I'd try for the check raise.

I'm not really sure if the old man will fire or not in this spot

 

[v1pe]

I'm not really sure if the old man will fire or not in this spot

If you are unsure I go ahead and lead, plenty if players in the hand and it's likey that someone is going to call at least one street.

I like a down bet when we are crushing the board without any overs or other draws.

 

[MoscowRadio]

I honestly like a bet here a lot. You've got three players left to act behind you, and a bet here is going to be perceived as weakness by Button more than likely. Plus, I'd like to get a good street of value in case something like a 8 or a 9 comes on the turn, effectively killing your action. I like a bet of $60 here.

 

[Kain8]

Bet, bet, bet. The last thing you want is for the action to check through, (somewhat unlikely but still possible) have an 8 or 9 roll off on the turn, and then only get action from another straight.

Slide out $50 - $60 and hope for someone to call.

 

[DrStrange]

I think a bet is best without knowing the villains are betting. No harm in a ten second delay to see if someone telegraphs a bet, or even makes one out of turn,

I choose $50 into the $90 pot as an invitation to play or better as a sign of weakness asking for a manly raise. This is a pretty safe flop for the nuts - I expect Hero will hear from a set though sure enough that villain will slow play it . . . .

This is a bet/call if the hand goes multiway.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Hero opts to bet only $25.

I'm hoping that the original raiser has an overpair and will view this as an unsure stab with a hand that hit top pair and that he'll come over the top, or if Hero is called by someone it sets the turn pot size up for a possible shove. The hijack and the button both call, the original raiser and the other two callers fold

Pot: $165

Flop:
Turn:

Hero is first to act and has a stack of $160, Hero?

 

[krafticus]

Hero opts to bet only $25.

I'm hoping that the original raiser has an overpair and will view this as an unsure stab with a hand that hit top pair and that he'll come over the top, or if Hero is called by someone it sets the turn pot size up for a possible shove. The hijack and the button both call, the original raiser and the other two callers fold

Pot: $165

Flop:
Turn:

Hero is first to act and has a stack of $160, Hero?

Shove, as it’s a pot sized bet. Or, just bet 155... oops, how’d the $5 not get in...

 

[v1pe]

Hero opts to bet only $25.

I'm hoping that the original raiser has an overpair and will view this as an unsure stab with a hand that hit top pair and that he'll come over the top, or if Hero is called by someone it sets the turn pot size up for a possible shove. The hijack and the button both call, the original raiser and the other two callers fold

Pot: $165

Flop:
Turn:

Hero is first to act and has a stack of $160, Hero?

I'd just put it in.

 

[Anthony Martino]

I'd just put it in.

THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!

 

[Danger mouse]

I think $25 is to small. You can bump up that flop bet with the same results imo. If players are folding to $25 they’re folding regardless. Draws and pairs will still call larger bets also so you can extract more value from them with a larger bet. I’d go a bit under half and bet $40.

This leaves $145 into a pot of $210. Much more attractive bet for the players left.

Betting small on the flop and jamming a pot sized bet on the turn doesn’t make a lot of sense because you wouldn’t play your draws or one pair hands like this likely.

So in that case as played I’d bet small again to induce or set up a easy river jam. Bet $60.

Above is just my opinion. Hope it made sense.

 

[Anthony Martino]

Hero jams all in on the turn, figuring its the size of the pot

The hijack folds, the cutoff really wants to call but eventually folds face up

 

[DrStrange]

Hero's turn bet screams STRONG! A somewhat less than half pot bet (28%) followed by a full pot / all-in is an alarming sequence for someone holding JT for example.

If this wasn't intended then either Hero needs to reconsider his plan for the hand and bet bigger on the flop or take a more measured bet on the turn. I choose a $55 turn bet and hope for two calls knowing most of the villains' range is drawing dead.

 

[Perthmike]

I’d have liked either a check raise or a $40 bet on the flop. $25 is just way too small imo, especially when compared to your turn jam.

 

[CraigT78]

yeah - a shove is way to strong. String them along some more. You bet $25 on the flop. I'm going $60 ish on that turn. If I'm raised, snap call. If not, looking to dodge a spade bullet or the board pairing.

 

[BukNaked36]

20/20 hind sight

$40 - $45 on the flop / $70 on the turn / rest on the river

 

[MoscowRadio]

If I were at the table, my first thought after the turn shove after a small post-flop bet was exactly what it was: a bet to induce action and you’re sitting on the nuts or a stronger hand than I have. I think a bet of $50 or $60 still gets two calls, and then you can bet similarly on the turn and still get to call.

If the turn bricks out it’s unlikely you get any value on the river, but you will have gotten two streets of value with the nuts instead of just one.

 

[Frogzilla]

I think the flop is 100% a check. I mean, you are 6 ways, you didn’t lead preflop, three to act behind you, you have the nuts, there are no flush draws, and we aren’t deep enough to bet three streets.

If bet into, we can just call and play turn.

Worst case, If the flop checks through, I’m leading $60ish turn setting up $140 river jam.

 

[slisk250]

Most of the table is loose-passive, a couple of aggressive players at the far end of the table. Stack sizes range from $80 - $250. Hero has around $200 to start the hand

Crotchety old man on the button has straddled to $5. One of the blinds calls and an EP player calls, Hero is MP and calls with

Hijack and cutoff both call, then button straddle makes it $15. Button player had previously called a preflop raise with and then called a big bet on a flop and hit a on the turn and won a decent pot and seems like he likes to gamble it up.

everyone calls the $15 and we go to the flop:

Pot: $90

Flop:

Checks to Hero who has $185 remaining in his stack, Hero?

I like 75 here. There are still 15 cards you don't want to see IMO. Any board pair 8,9 and you might have some thinking to do. Why let someone get a cheap card that gives them a potential backdoor nut flush draw? I think you are better off getting rid of a few in place of slow playing these nuts. I may even shove if I think I'll get a caller.

Edit: did not see the other post from OP about action and the river.

 

[ChaosRock]

With two EP players in the hand on the flop, meaning stronger range, I like a check-raise better than the bet. If button bets, you'll have two players acting ahead of you, so possible 2 callers, before you raise. If you were first to act after button, I'll probably bet.

If betting, I like making something like $50. As played, and with a pot size bet left, I just jam it in.

 

[upNdown]

I agree that the $25 flop bet is suspicious, but I’ve run into enough low stakes player who have no clue or no regard for bet sizing that I try not to read too much into it, unless I have some experience with the player. Personally, I would have either checked or bet half the pot.
I like these discussions because I know I could improve on getting maximum value for my big hands.

 

[Frogzilla]

I like 75 here. There are still 15 cards you don't want to see IMO. Any board pair 8,9 and you might have some thinking to do. Why let someone get a cheap card that gives them a potential backdoor nut flush draw? I think you are better off getting rid of a few in place of slow playing these nuts. I may even shove if I think I'll get a caller.

Edit: did not see the other post from OP about action and the river.

We have like 80% equity against a turned flush draw. That’s where the money is!

Board pair I wouldn’t mind seeing if flop checks through...should be more trips than boats. Anyways, we aren’t knocking sets or two pairs off this flop so a slow play doesn’t really cost us much.

8 or 9 is action killer but can’t play scared

 

[ilovegravy]

A wise man once told me to never slow play flopped straights because you don't block any equity for other players.

 

[v1pe]

I misread the hand, I thought we were in LP and only had button left to act. I more strongly prefer a check/raise with 3 behind, but don't hate the small bet.

 

[Gobbs]

Since Teddy KGB is not at the table, I say pot-size bet.

 

[Chipleader]

I’m with the gentlemen that said $40 on the flop and $75 on the turn. Max value!