Hand Discussion (1 Viewer)

[HanShot1st]

1/2 cash game, Ho Chunk Casino
Table is a mix of tight and aggressive players

I have about $120 in front of me, the villian had me covered about three times over.

I am UTG, look down at A 10 offsuit. I call, throw out $2

The table folds around to the big blind who raises to $10. I call.

The flop comes QKQ

I have the broadway draw, at this point and that's about it. The villian (BB) leads out with $10.
I know i have to be behind here, but I can't ignore the straight draw. I decide to pay the $10. I put him on a K, or pocket pair.

The turn is a Q, he again leads out with $10. I ignore the fact that either of the situations I initially put him on have me crushed. Don't know why, but I felt I still was able to call the $10, i still felt like I had something to see at the river.

The river is an A. So now I have the best full house, on the board. If he had a K, i have him, if he had his pocket pair, i have him. At no point, did I ever put him on a Q. I shove my remaining stack, $80 or so.

He calls almost instantly, and turns over the Q. He flopped trips, and turned Quads, and managed to slow play it enough to get me to believe he only had a piece of that flop. Cudos to him. If I would have read that story differently, had he bet differently I believe I would have folded, knowing that I was beat early on. That A coming on the river, that killed me. There was no getting away from it at that point.

Hindsight is 20/20, But I can't be mad about that hand... he played it perfectly, and I stumbled right into it.
Thoughts..?

 

[CHP TD]

Easy

Paired board at this point chasing a straight is suiside. you know that. aj aq kq 22 33 44 55 66 77 88 99 10 10 jj q 10 kk just to name a few all have you beat. even if you hit your 11 to 1 inside straight youre most likely still behind. so your equity in the hand is roughly 16% to what is most likely the 20th best hand you could get

Only chase the nuts and if you do BE Careful. there is NO shame in folding to a bet.

so lets recap is it a good idea to chase a losing hand wehere your a 84% underdog. No.

 

[DrStrange]

As happens in so many hands, the first mistakes were "cheap" and lead to a disappointing result.

Preflop - fold ATo from UTG (assuming we are talking about a mostly full table.) If Hero must play it, raise rather than limp. But the modest hand + weak position makes this a fold.
Preflop - fold ATo to the bigblind raise. Hero is so easily dominated here. The reverse implied odds risk is sizable, meaning Hero is apt to lose more when he loses and win less when he wins.
Flop - fold the gut shot + over card.
Turn - fold the gut shot + overcard. the straight draw is likely dead, Hero is drawing thin at best to dead at worst.
River - not as bad a decision as the rest of the hand, but Hero should have never gotten in this spot.

Hero should be thinking like a short stack playing 60BB. Look for a place to get a big chunk of your stack in play by betting rather than calling. In this hand Hero called off every dollar of his stack. Passive play rarely gets good results due to the lack of folding equity and not setting the price for people to play/draw.

DrStrange

 

[Jimulacrum]

As happens in so many hands, the first mistakes were "cheap" and lead to a disappointing result.

Preflop - fold ATo from UTG (assuming we are talking about a mostly full table.) If Hero must play it, raise rather than limp. But the modest hand + weak position makes this a fold.
Preflop - fold ATo to the bigblind raise. Hero is so easily dominated here. The reverse implied odds risk is sizable, meaning Hero is apt to lose more when he loses and win less when he wins.
Flop - fold the gut shot + over card.
Turn - fold the gut shot + overcard. the straight draw is likely dead, Hero is drawing thin at best to dead at worst.
River - not as bad a decision as the rest of the hand, but Hero should have never gotten in this spot.

Hero should be thinking like a short stack playing 60BB. Look for a place to get a big chunk of your stack in play by betting rather than calling. In this hand Hero called off every dollar of his stack. Passive play rarely gets good results due to the lack of folding equity and not setting the price for people to play/draw.

DrStrange

This is almost exactly what I was going to say.

You could throw away AT offsuit (or suited, for that matter) 100% of the time, and it'd probably increase your win rate a little. It's a very marginal hand, especially in NL. It traps you for bets more often than it earns you bets, especially way out of position.

You started by trapping yourself with AT, and then Villain trapped you even worse. He bet small so you'd come along, and you came along with a hand that (a) you didn't have even close to odds to chase and (b) would be shit even if you hit it. Suppose you do hit the straight, are you really going to shove on this paired board full of paint cards? What range of hands will give you action if you hit Broadway?

The only place I disagree with DrStrange is on the river. First, you overvalued your hand on the end. Queens full of aces was not the top boat; aces full of queens was, followed by kings full, followed by your queens full of aces. Based on the action so far, you were basically hoping for a split at best. Remember, he bet so small on the turn that he was practically begging you to call. That's a man with a strong hand. The weakest hand he could reasonably have is a bare king, and even that one is a stretch after his river bet.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes you'll be up against a player who takes this same line with 88. But if you defend every $20 pot with a $120 stack to find out, I can almost promise that you'll come up short in the end.

 

[Lee I.]

What else do you do? You either see it out to the end or put him on a K or Q early. The fact that he flopped trips and hit quads on the turn is insane. Then, to add insult to injury, the river is an A to give you the boat. LOL. A hand you'll talk about for years and years. Think we've been there in one way or another...

 

[Jimulacrum]

What else do you do?

You fold your ace-high with a weak gutshot before it traps you for $120 in a $20 pot.

 

[tripleflatbarrel]

Top up to 100BB

Fold Pre

Fold to BB raise

Fold flop

Fold turn

 

[ballefrans]

As others have said fold pre with that stack. If you have a lot more behind you can play it. But not the way you played it. I disagree with river being your best decision for a lot of reasons.

Is this a troll post?

 

[HanShot1st]

No, not intended as a troll post. I certainly felt differently about the way I played this hand at the time. However after doing some reflecting and reading, as almost all have said this was way to fast and loose a play. It should have been folded. It was on me, pure and simple.

 

[AllinBallin]

Top up to 100BB

Fold Pre

Fold to BB raise

Fold flop

Fold turn

I agree