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Hey Guys!

I've been reading through some post as I'm about to get back into poker after taking a few years off. It appears each previous post I came across is a little different so I just wanted some inputs before I place my order. I'm looking to order some Tikis to use for 10 player T10k for 99% of the tournaments. I would have to semi custom order the 5k chips which isn't a deal breaker. I'm wondering how many chips I should purchase for the initial starting stacks of:

25/100/500/1000/5000
12/12/3/2/1

Obviously 300 chips for the 10 person starting stacks. Question what additional chips would be best for color ups, rebuys, and add on?

Before the color ups, rebuys and add on's we're at:

25 x 120
100 x 120
500 x 30
1000 x 20
5000 x 20

Also I may plan to have antes in the tournaments which is the reason I want to stick with having the T25.

Thanks for any input!
 
Welcome to PCF!

@BGinGA is pretty good at providing tourney breakdown advice. He has helped me many times. I'm sure he'll chime here.
 
The issue people have with that is that it cuts the number of bb's you have in half. Some peopel find that a problem...others don't. You could start at 50/100, then 75/150, then 100/200. Or go even more gradual with 100/200, 125/250, 150/300, 175/350...
 
bankOman said:
how many chips I should purchase for the initial starting stacks of:

25/100/500/1000/5000
12/12/3/2/1

what additional chips would be best for color ups, rebuys, and add on?
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For a 10-player tournament, I'd go with either 12/12/3/7 or 12/12/5/6 starting stacks -- you are going to need more T1000 chips in play during the later blind levels. The T5000 chips won't see much action, and it will be difficult to make change for them without more T500 and T1000 chips on the table.

starting stacks (10):
12 x T25
12 x T100
3 x T500
7 x T1000
-------------
34 chips = T10000

re-buy stacks (5):
2 x T500
4 x T1000
1 x T5000
-------------
7 chips = T10000

10-player T10K set:
120 x T25
120 x T100
40 x T500
110 x T1000 (includes 15 for color-up of T25/T100 chips and 5 extras)
10 x T5000 (includes 3 for color-up of T500 chips and 2 extras)
-------------
400 total chips

^^That^^ is pretty much a bare-bones set, without much room for expansion to two tables or incorporating larger starting stacks. Below is my typical recommendation for T10K tourney sets:

200 x T25
200 x T100
100 x T500
200 x T1000
100 x T5000
-------------
800 total chips - plenty of chips for color-ups, re-buys, add-ons, larger stacks, and two-table play

although this is also reasonable if on a budget:

160 x T25
160 x T100
80 x T500
160 x T1000
40 x T5000
-------------
600 total chips - still covers all the bases above except huge starting stacks



bankOman said:
25/50 then 50/100!
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^^That^^ is an evil monstrous myth forced onto the innocent poker-playing community and perpetuated by greedy casino/card room owners who wish to thin tournament fields as quickly as possible (and maximize profits) at the expense of promoting good poker play.

There is no valid reason for blind levels to ever double, unless your goal is to quickly eliminate players. Using 100% increases in the opening levels cuts the starting stacks in half after just a few minutes of play. There are several better alternatives..... one of which is the use of a 25/75 blind level to transition between 25/50 and 50/100:

L1 25/50
L2 25/75
L3 50/100
L4 75/150
L5 100/200
etc.
 
BGinGA said:
For a 10-player tournament, I'd go with either 12/12/3/7 or 12/12/5/6 starting stacks -- you are going to need more T1000 chips in play during the later blind levels. The T5000 chips won't see much action, and it will be difficult to make change for them without more T500 and T1000 chips on the table.

starting stacks (10):
12 x T25
12 x T100
3 x T500
7 x T1000
-------------
34 chips = T10000

re-buy stacks (5):
2 x T500
4 x T1000
1 x T5000
-------------
7 chips = T10000

10-player T10K set:
120 x T25
120 x T100
40 x T500
110 x T1000 (includes 15 for color-up of T25/T100 chips and 5 extras)
10 x T5000 (includes 3 for color-up of T500 chips and 2 extras)
-------------
400 total chips

^^That^^ is pretty much a bare-bones set, without much room for expansion to two tables or incorporating larger starting stacks. Below is my typical recommendation for T10K tourney sets:

200 x T25
200 x T100
100 x T500
200 x T1000
100 x T5000
-------------
800 total chips - plenty of chips for color-ups, re-buys, add-ons, larger stacks, and two-table play

although this is also reasonable if on a budget:

160 x T25
160 x T100
80 x T500
160 x T1000
40 x T5000
-------------
600 total chips - still covers all the bases above except huge starting stacks




^^That^^ is an evil monstrous myth forced onto the innocent poker-playing community and perpetuated by greedy casino/card room owners who wish to thin tournament fields as quickly as possible (and maximize profits) at the expense of promoting good poker play.

There is no valid reason for blind levels to ever double, unless your goal is to quickly eliminate players. Using 100% increases in the opening levels cuts the starting stacks in half after just a few minutes of play. There are several better alternatives..... one of which is the use of a 25/75 blind level to transition between 25/50 and 50/100:

L1 25/50
L2 25/75
L3 50/100
L4 75/150
L5 100/200
etc.
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This is awesome and makes perfect sense. I'll do a 600 set to give me some wiggle room. The 800 would be nice but I can always add in the future. I'm looking to do some China Clays for a cash game to so the budget has to stop somewhere I guess.

Thank you very much for breaking it down in English!
 
Fuck me, I have two advanced degrees and never thought of 25/75. Dave, Dave, Dave. Of course. The best solutions are often the simplest.
 
bivey said:
Fuck me, I have two advanced degrees and never thought of 25/75. Dave, Dave, Dave. Of course. The best solutions are often the simplest.
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I never thought about it either, probably because I'm used to playing in casino tourneys where they are trying to get you out quick lol
 
bankOman said:
I never thought about it either, probably because I'm used to playing in casino tourneys where they are trying to get you out quick lol
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It never made much of difference to me. No necessity, no invention. My work around has always been to keep my tournaments super deep for 2 hours. After that I usually increase blinds x2 every 2 levels, so 400/800, 600/1200, 800/1600 or something like that. For deeper/longer major events, it goes to every three levels.

No one cares about 25/50 to 50/100 if you have a 15k stack.

All that being said, I still love Dave's approach.
 
Just placed the order for 600ct of Tikis from BR Pro Poker. I asked if forum members got a discount but they advised nothing formal but hooked me up with a promo code so I was happy.

On a side note anyone know who make these currency style ceramics? Thinking of picking these up for our cash 1/2nlhe and 2/5nlhe games.
 

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bankOman said:
Oh no that doesn't sound appealing. 25/50 then 50/100!
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Yup, most would agree with you. However, BG (who is definitely the last word in structures BTW) is very opposed to ANY blinds that double, including the 25/50, 50/100 jump.

The jump to 25/50, 50/100 just seems to flow smoother to me, despite the doubling. The remaining levels, doubling is a huge no no for me.

Amazing looking set, by the way!
 
Trihonda said:
Yup, most would agree with you. However, BG (who is definitely the last word in structures BTW) is very opposed to ANY blinds that double, including the 25/50, 50/100 jump.

The jump to 25/50, 50/100 just seems to flow smoother to me, despite the doubling. The remaining levels, doubling is a huge no no for me.

Amazing looking set, by the way!
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Yeah after thinking about it I just decided to add in the 25/75, after reading here definitely makes more sense and wouldn't add much time.
 
BGinGA said:
For a 10-player tournament, I'd go with either 12/12/3/7 or 12/12/5/6 starting stacks -- you are going to need more T1000 chips in play during the later blind levels.
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Good info Re: the T1000s TY.
 
Just double the time of the 25/50 blind round. Hate the 25/75 but usually agree wth Dave on almost all other things tournament related.
 
Not a single one of my players was willing to do 25/75 more than the one time I tried. Bunch of babies need to have the BB be twice the size of the SB. So I took the road less traveled and just made two rounds of 25/50 - they loved that.
 
ChaosRock said:
Yep...

So either use the 25/75, double the 25/50 level duration or, as I prefer, start at 50/100 and double the starting stack!! ;) More chips!!
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This uses a 12-12-3-7 starting stack for T10,000. This is what Blind Valet spat out (assumes 5 rebuys):



Rebuy Tournament

Starting Stack: 10000
Rebuy Chips: 10000
Addon Chips: 0
Players: 10
Duration: 4 hours

Blind Structure
------------------------------------------------------
Level Time(min) Small Blind Big Blind Running Time
------------------------------------------------------
1 15 50 100 0:15
2 15 75 150 0:30
3 15 100 200 0:45
4 15 150 300 1:00
5 15 200 400 1:15
6 15 250 500 1:30
7 15 300 600 1:45
8 15 400 800 2:00
9 15 500 1000 2:15
10 15 600 1200 2:30
11 15 800 1600 2:45
12 15 1000 2000 3:00
13 15 1500 3000 3:15
14 15 2000 4000 3:30
15 15 3000 6000 3:45
16 15 4000 8000 4:00
17 15 5000 10000 4:15
18 15 8000 16000 4:30
19 15 10000 20000 4:45
20 15 15000 30000 5:00
 
BPTDirector said:
Not a single one of my players was willing to do 25/75 more than the one time I tried. Bunch of babies need to have the BB be twice the size of the SB. So I took the road less traveled and just made two rounds of 25/50 - they loved that.
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I can't imagine what they'd do in a cash game at a casino. I've posted blinds like
1/3
2/5
5/15
10/15
3/9
6/9
5/0
5/5
1/1
20/30

Do your guys never play cash? Blinds get out of 1/2 ratios all the time, including the 1/3 ratio of 25/75.
 

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