Tourney Help me with starting stacks T25 deep stack turbo 2 table. (1 Viewer)

[Sparkynutz]

I am trying to come up with a breakdown for a 2 table turbo tournament that fits my current chips on hand.
Goal 1-1.5hrs including rebuys first 3 levels.

My current chip set consists of the following-
75x T25
125x T100
125x T500
325x T1k
150x T5k
175x T25k
100x T100k

My stock of T25 &T100 may be an issue.
Thoughts?
Any changes to breakdown if only 1 table?

 

[TheRealStephen12]

Two tables is maximum 20 players which is a lot for just 90 minutes. For that, I'd think the best course of action would be very short stacks. Way too few T25-100s to do anything, and any coloring up will be a hassle with such a short amount of time (which means the T500s will be difficult to use). You have enough T1Ks in your set, so you could do a base T1K with the following breakdown.

15/7/6 of 1k/5k/25k (200k/50BB starting stack)

10 Minute Levels
2K/4K
3K/6K
4K/8K *Last level for rebuys
6K/12K
10K/20K
15K/30K
25K/50K
50K/100K
100K/200K *EOT with 20 total entries
200K/400K *EOT with up to 40 total entries

It's about the best you could do in 90 minutes, coloring up during play as much as possible. It also lets the early levels be as shallow and rebuy friendly as possible, but going to doubling after 25K/50K to get the tournament over.

 

[SlowPokeTony]

90 minutes for 20 players isn’t even turbo it’s ultra hyper mega turbo

 

[SlowPokeTony]

Two tables is maximum 20 players which is a lot for just 90 minutes. For that, I'd think the best course of action would be very short stacks. Way too few T25-100s to do anything, and any coloring up will be a hassle with such a short amount of time (which means the T500s will be difficult to use). You have enough T1Ks in your set, so you could do a base T1K with the following breakdown.

15/7/6 of 1k/5k/25k (200k/50BB starting stack)

10 Minute Levels
2K/4K
3K/6K
4K/8K *Last level for rebuys
6K/12K
10K/20K
15K/30K
25K/50K
50K/100K
100K/200K *EOT with 20 total entries
200K/400K *EOT with up to 40 total entries

It's about the best you could do in 90 minutes, coloring up during play as much as possible. It also lets the early levels be as shallow and rebuy friendly as possible, but going to doubling after 25K/50K to get the tournament over.

Agree with all of this. Really can’t use too many denoms in a tournament like this. When the tournament gets to 10/20 have someone start buying up all the 1k during the course of play, no need to stop the game. Once they have them racked up just exchange them for a few 100k chips. Probably don’t need to ever color up the 5k but at that point it’d be easy to have an eliminated player handle it if necessary.

 

[Sparkynutz]

90 minutes for 20 players isn’t even turbo it’s ultra hyper mega turbo

Or a way to use same setup for 1 table 90 minutes, 2 tables 120 minutes?

A neighbor that hosts plays turbo tournaments, 10 minute or less levels with this breakdown-
505

5x 1
5x 5
5x 10
5x 25
3x100

Myself and a few other guys hate the nonstop change making with a passion but after 4-5 years of trying to change their stupid setup I still haven't found a breakdown that makes more people happy than theirs.
It plays super fast and we get 3-5 tournaments in a night.

I'm hoping to figure out a similarly fast low chipcount breakdown with what I have.

With our typical 8-10 guys there is usually 3-4 rebuys and chip up 1 time at start of 25-50 level.

 

[SlowPokeTony]

Or a way to use same setup for 1 table 90 minutes, 2 tables 120 minutes?

A neighbor that hosts plays turbo tournaments, 10 minute or less levels with this breakdown-
505

5x 1
5x 5
5x 10
5x 25
3x100

Myself and a few other guys hate the nonstop change making with a passion but after 4-5 years of trying to change their stupid setup I still haven't found a breakdown that makes more people happy than theirs.
It plays super fast and we get 3-5 tournaments in a night.

I'm hoping to figure out a similarly fast low chipcount breakdown with what I have.

I read a tournament should be 100BB, but how is that calculated?

If level 1 is 1-2 and we start with 505, does that mean we have 252bb?
Or is it pro-rated like 5 hands each level and divide the chips to find total BB?

With our typical 8-10 guys there is usually 3-4 rebuys and chip up 1 time at start of 25-50 level.

Tournament big blinds are just by the starting stacks that’s why it’s nice to avoid doubling when you can. My t5 tournament is 2500 chips and starts at 10/20 so 125 bb to start. Then 15/30, 20/40, 25/50. So even an hour in we’re still at 50 bb average. For you to start with 100 bb and have it go super turbo, it basically makes the early levels barely matter because your stacks are going to be quartered in 20 minutes. You’d be better off starting around 50 bb with a less aggressive progression.

 

[Sparkynutz]

Thoughts on this?
10x 100
4x 500
2x 1k
1x 5k

levels 8-10minutes
100-200
200-400
300-600
400-800
remove 100's
500-1k
1k-2k
1.5k-3k
2k-4k
3k-6k
remove 500s and 1ks
5k-10k
10k-20k

 

[allforcharity]

I played a turbo tournament on a cruise ship not too long ago. It wasn't the most fun experience of card playing.

20BB with an optional 20BB add-on. T25 base T1K tourney. 8 max.
Starting blinds 25/50 and doubled every 10 minutes (50/100, 100/200, 200/400, 400/800, then 500/1000 final) until it was done. 70/30 split for top two, no rake. They wanted it done in an hour. No real time for strategy. You had it or you didn't.

Even a 2 hour tournament gives you some breathing room.

 

[SlowPokeTony]

Thoughts on this?
10x 100
4x 500
2x 1k
1x 5k

levels 8-10minutes
100-200
200-400
300-600
400-800
remove 100's
500-1k
1k-2k
1.5k-3k
2k-4k
3k-6k
remove 500s and 1ks
5k-10k
10k-20k

You don’t even need the 5k just go 10/4/7. You should avoid the double bb between 1 and 2. Maybe go 10 minute blinds: 100/200, 100/300, 200/400, 300/600, 400/800, 700/1400. Then quick pause to remove the 100s and 500s. Start back up with 8 minute blinds 1k/2k, 1k/3k, 2k/4k, 3k/6k.

 

[Natskule]

I am trying to come up with a breakdown for a 2 table turbo tournament that fits my current chips on hand.
Goal 1-1.5hrs including rebuys first 3 levels.

My current chip set consists of the following-
75x T25
125x T100
125x T500
325x T1k
150x T5k
175x T25k
100x T100k

My stock of T25 &T100 may be an issue.
Thoughts?
Any changes to breakdown if only 1 table?

Won't be much poker if you legit want 2 full table tournament in 1.5 hours.

Go on the way high end and say you get 30 hands an hour, that's 45 total hands in the tournament. You need 19 all ins to lose to finish a full 2 table 20 person tournament, that's not even counting rebuys. So you need 19 all ins to lose in 45 hands. In real life, I doubt there will be that many hands played, especially as folks are deciding on all ins constantly and not every all in will lose. Just about every hand will be for somebody's tournament life, frankly there isn't any time left to play poker. An hour and a half 2 table tournament isn't really poker at all.

You don't need a chip breakdown, you need to completely change the parameters if you truly want to play poker, because a 20 person tournament doesn't fit into an hour and a half and remain anything more than all in or fold.

 

[Sparkynutz]

Won't be much poker if you legit want 2 full table tournament in 1.5 hours.

Go on the way high end and say you get 30 hands an hour, that's 45 total hands in the tournament. You need 19 all ins to lose to finish a full 2 table 20 person tournament, that's not even counting rebuys. So you need 19 all ins to lose in 45 hands. In real life, I doubt there will be that many hands played, especially as folks are deciding on all ins constantly and not every all in will lose. Just about every hand will be for somebody's tournament life, frankly there isn't any time left to play poker. An hour and a half 2 table tournament isn't really poker at all.

You don't need a chip breakdown, you need to completely change the parameters if you truly want to play poker, because a 20 person tournament doesn't fit into an hour and a half and remain anything more than all in or fold.

90 minutes probably is too fast.
Please see post #5 above for my reasoning.

 

[Natskule]

90 minutes probably is too fast.
Please see post #5 above for my reasoning.

I somewhat understand, the weekly tournament I play in is so terribly constructed I'm afraid to post how it's run, but that's the way they've run it for close to 20 years. I'm not the host, not my house, their rules, I'm just happy to play, not my place to dictate rules and formats, if they are looking to make changes I will certainly offer some advice. But when I host we play by my rules and a much better structure.

 

[BGinGA]

Or a way to use same setup for 1 table 90 minutes, 2 tables 120 minutes?

A neighbor that hosts plays turbo tournaments, 10 minute or less levels with this breakdown-
505

5x 1
5x 5
5x 10
5x 25
3x100

Myself and a few other guys hate the nonstop change making with a passion but after 4-5 years of trying to change their stupid setup I still haven't found a breakdown that makes more people happy than theirs.
It plays super fast and we get 3-5 tournaments in a night.

I'm hoping to figure out a similarly fast low chipcount breakdown with what I have.

With our typical 8-10 guys there is usually 3-4 rebuys and chip up 1 time at start of 25-50 level.

I am trying to come up with a breakdown for a 2 table turbo tournament that fits my current chips on hand.
Goal 1-1.5hrs including rebuys first 3 levels.

My current chip set consists of the following-
75x T25
125x T100
125x T500
325x T1k
150x T5k
175x T25k
100x T100k

My stock of T25 &T100 may be an issue.
Thoughts?
Any changes to breakdown if only 1 table?

A T1-base tourney with T500-ish starting stacks (especially THOSE starting stacks) that lasts 90 minutes and with re-buys ffs sounds like pretty awful poker.

Try this as a less-frustrating alternative for a single-table 10-player event:

T100-base using 10/6/11 = 15k stacks (75bb with 100/200 blinds). Event will end by the 7500 bb level, so roughly doubling the big blind each level (200-400-800-1600-3000-5000-10000) creates seven levels at 15-minutes each, or around 98 minutes max of total play. Color-up the T100s after the first hour using T5000 chips, and use a combo of T1000 (5) and T5000 (2) for re-buys (ending at the 45-minute mark after L3 400/800).

A T500-base format could be used for a 2-table event lasting two hours (6/12/7 = 50k stacks, or 50bb with 500/1000 blinds). Doubling the big blind (1000-2000-4000-8000-15000-30000-60000) creates seven levels of 18-minutes duration, which totals 2:06 hours max play. Color-up both the T500 and T1000 chips after L4 4000/8000, using T25000 chips. 50k re-buys can use 5xT5000 plus 1xT25k.

 

[JustinInMN]

Your instinct is right, there is no way to divide your T100 and T25 chips across 20 people.

I think T500 base is your best bet here.

I am thinking 6/12/x of T500/1000/5000 is going to be your best bet for dividing available chips across 20 players.

In 90 Minutes you are at best going to play 5 levels at 18 minutes each. 500-1000, 500-1500, 1000-2000, 1500-3000, 2000-4000.

Here's the problem with this timeframe for 20 players. If you are allowing rebuys, that's about 30 entries if you get a 50% rebuy rate. It may even be higher because we are going to have use a very short starting stack in the first place.

So 20 BB in play with a BB of 4K is 80K. So to get the starting stack we should divide 80K by the anticipated number of entries, 20 players with a 50% rebuy rate (which is normally an overestimate, but in this case given we are going to start with a short stack it might be an underestimate) is a rough starting stack of 26K. Given that you may get a higher rebuy rate, I might round down to 25K, so starting stacks of 6/12/2.

So you can do it, it would truly be a turbo with just a 25 BB start, but I think this is your best bet with your original parameters. You have enough T500/1000/5000 to construct the starting stacks and enough T5000 chips to issue 22 re-entries. That would be more than 100% rebuy rate.