Tourney I Have a Fixed # of Chips. Now Pls Help with Players, Starting Stack and Structure (1 Viewer)

[gopherblue]

So, normally these breakdown threads start with assumptions as to starting stack size, number of players and whether rebuys/add-ons, then progress to figuring out ideal breakdown of starting stacks and total number of chips needed.

I've got a more twisted scenario: I only have the following wonky breakdown available:

T25 x 190
T100 x 215
T500 x 130
T1000 x 75

So...how many players and what starting stack size can this set support?

Any and all input gratefully accepted! Thx!

 

[jbutler]

Replied via email, but since we've evidently confirmed this is the actual original breakdown, I have to think the original owner intended for this to be a 20-player set with starting stacks of 8/8/6/2 and with enough chips to color up the T25s with T100s (though most of us realize this is not optimal for coloring up) and enough T1000s to color up the T25s and T100s.

That would make the "official" breakdown:

160 (T25)
200 (T100)
120 (T500)
60 (T1000)

with the additional chips being "extras". That's probably as optimal a breakdown as I can come up with even if I'd personally never actually use the T100s to color up the T25s and would just carve them out of the breakdown entirely to keep it at an even 500 chips total.

 

[ChipTalker]

How about a T5K for 20 people.

Color Denom Qty Value Chips
Green $25 8 $200 160
Black $100 8 $800 160
Blue $500 4 $2,000 80
Yellow $1,000 2 $2,000 40

There should be enough for at least 12 Rebuys but if you need more rebuys or an add on then lower the people count.

 

[gopherblue]

Thanks for the input so far. Now, as an added question: given the super-strange breakdown, anyone want to hazard a guess as to what the original owner was thinking?

 

[jbutler]

How about a T5K for 20 people.

Color Denom Qty Value Chips
Green $25 8 $200 160
Black $100 8 $800 160
Blue $500 4 $2,000 80
Yellow $1,000 2 $2,000 40

There should be enough for at least 12 Rebuys but if you need more rebuys or an add on then lower the people count.

I actually prefer this to mine above since you get a more even starting stack (T5k versus my T6k) and you also have the extra T500s for rebuys.

 

[pltrgyst]

Thanks for the input so far. Now, as an added question: given the super-strange breakdown, anyone want to hazard a guess as to what the original owner was thinking?

Are you sure that these chips are all that he ordered? Maybe this just what's left over, or the result of a split.

 

[gopherblue]

Are you sure that these chips are all that he ordered? Maybe this just what's left over, or the result of a split.

Hard to say. I can't find any further info on the set.

 

[BGinGA]

how many players and what starting stack size can this set support?

Three options:

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9 players x T15000 (300BB with 25/50 opening blinds)

20 x T25 (190 total chips, 10 spares)
20 x T100 (215 total chips includes 35x for T25 color-up, no spares)
9 x T500 (130 total chips includes 47x for T25/T100 color-up, 2 spares)
8 x T1000 (75 total chips, 3 spares)
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57 chips = T15000

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16 players x T8000 (160BB with 25/50 opening blinds)

12 x T25 (190 total chips, 2 spares*)
12 x T100 (215 total chips, 22 spares)
7 x T500 (130 total chips includes 10x for T25 color-up and 8 spares)
3 x T1000 (75 total chips includes 20x for T100 color-ups and 7 spares)
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34 chips = T8000
*requires one 8/13/7/3 stack

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24 players x T5500 (110BB with 25/50 opening blinds)

8 x T25 (190 total chips, 2 spares*)
8 x T100 (215 total chips, 22 spares)
4 x T500 (130 total chips includes 10x for T25 color-up and no spares)
2 x T1000 (75 total chips includes 20x for T100 color-ups and 7 spares)
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23 chips = T5500
*requires one 4/9/4/2 stack)

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[gopherblue]

Interesting options. Thanks.

 

[gopherblue]

What if I add some quantity of T5000s? Does that help things?

 

[BGinGA]

What if I add some quantity of T5000s? Does that help things?

A barrel of T5000s would allow you to bump the 15K stack option to 10 players (16/21/13/6 with T5000 for color-ups), or increase your single-table stack size to 20K.

For larger fields, it does allow bumping the stacks up to T10k by adding a T5000 to each stack. But to be honest, I'd rather have more T1000s (dunno if that's even an option).

given the super-strange breakdown, anyone want to hazard a guess as to what the original owner was thinking?

No clue. I can't figure out why anybody would want 190 x T25 chips. 180 or 192? Sure. But 190 either leaves you short a couple or with a bunch of useless spares.


Here's another option that plays pretty efficiently, btw:

20 players, T7000 stacks (8/8/6/3), using:

160 x T25 (30 extras)
200 x T100 (40x for T25 color-up, 15 extras)
130 x T500 (10x for T100 color-ups, no extras)
75 x T1000 (15x for T100 color-ups, no extras)

This would be 140BB with 25/50 opening blinds, and that breakdown would play pretty well for two tables.