Tourney Non denom chips for a tourney? (1 Viewer)

[mummel]

I would prefer denoms but if that's not possible budget wise, how do you guys feel about using non denoms?

It seems like for cash games a denom set would make the most sense and that's what I'm focused on acquiring at this point. But it may make sense to use my legacy non-denom set for tourneys to save a couple of bucks? What do you guys think?

 

[courage]

What are the blue ones worth again?

If you don't mind answering this question 50x/nite, sure...

 

[abby99]

I've played tournaments with non-denominated chips. It went very smoothly, although all of the players were knowledgeable (WCBII attendees). It helped that traditional or close-to-traditional colors were used. If/when I host with non-denominated chips, there will be a chart on every wall with color scans of the chips and their denominations.

For some people, even denominated chips are beyond their grasp. "How much are these black $100 chips worth again?" I don't mind -- they are usually the players who bust out early, assuming they don't go on a heater.

 

[GenghisKhan]

Every group is different. Like abby99, when I used my non denom set I had 8×11 sheets indicating which colors where worth how much on all walls. The ones from the hpt site. We still had issues sometimes, such as betting with a chip that was much higher denom than they thought, because they thought they had the colors down pat.

If it's all well known buddies it should not cause any problems. I say try it out. You have the chips already.

I ultimately went the denom route. But I have a special kind of donkey herd. Kidding. Actually it slowed the game down too much for most of us, having 2 or 3 players constantly needing to check the wall each hand.

Even in a cash game set where I used non denoms as dimes and quarters, I got fed up sold em and bought actual 10c/25c chips. That's where that old saying comes from, nickel and diming you thinking those are $500 chips.

 

[mummel]

Yeah it really seems like denoms are the way to go, but that they probably have more of an improved affect on cash games.

 

[Mental Nomad]

Having one or two non-denominated chips in the set seems to work out better than having a totally non-denominated set.

 

[GenghisKhan]

*Unless he's wrong. (n) :thumbsdown:

 

[bentax1978]

Having one or two non-denominated chips in the set seems to work out better than having a totally non-denominated set.

That's what I was wondering. I have a very nice set of denominated chips (hotstamped solids), but they don't have a T5000 chips. I bought a rack of non-denominated starburst chips that go really well with them, but obviously they are non-denominated. Since it's just one chip without a denomination (and a high value one at that), I don't foresee a problem.

 

[BPTDirector]

Ok. I'll bite on this one. I have two fully custom non denominated. Chip sets. One is a Chipco set, the other by ASM Maine about 11 years ago. The Chipco set can never be changed and I'm ok with that. But, lately I have been contemplating doing a complete denominated relabel of my ASM H molds through Gear because I'm tired of fighting idiocy. Get denoms - nuf said.

 

[Poker Zombie]

I have a set on non-denominated. It was my first set. I have values on the big-screen with the blind timer, and on the "cheat sheet" cards (index cards that show the blind structure on one side and the hands ranking on the other). Still had "how much are these?" questions every night. Second set were ceramics that had the denom on the running edge. It cut down the questions, but they still popped up.

Now I only use chips with large denoms printed on the face of the chip. Some people still have issues but far, far less than before.

The only way I would consider non-denoms now is for a limit game.

 

[Dwight87]

Denoms for a smoother game as others have said. Also, there's a decent % of color blind people who might feel discriminated against if they get on a losing streak.

 

[Jambine]

I think its known by now that I'm a great believer in non-denom sets (all of my high end sets are non-denom)

I really don't think the chip value is an issue unless you have strange or odd chip colors. I have never been asked "so the green chips are $25" ?

 

[BPTDirector]

Can anyone tell me what the tournament denominations of these chips would be?

 

[bentax1978]

View attachment 39848 Can anyone tell me what the tournament denominations of these chips would be?

25 (green), 100 (black), 500 (purple), 1000 (yellow), 5000 (orange).

or

25 (green), 100 (black), 500 (purple), 2000 (yellow), 10000 (orange).



Or was this a rhetorical question?

 

[BPTDirector]

Just showing how easily the chips could be identified without having the denoms on them. And I would be willing to wager that at least 90% of the membership here would have said the same for the first three and the other two depend on whether you like 1k chips or not.

 

[Mental Nomad]

25 (green), 100 (black), 500 (purple), 1000 (yellow), 5000 (orange).

or

25 (green), 100 (black), 500 (purple), 2000 (yellow), 10000 (orange).



Or was this a rhetorical question?

Or 1,000 (orange), which is the standard color in Atlantic City.
The 1,000 (yellow) is standard in Vegas.

Also, when I see a yellow chip, my default value is $20.

 

[bentax1978]

Just showing how easily the chips could be identified without having the denoms on them. And I would be willing to wager that at least 90% of the membership here would have said the same for the first three and the other two depend on whether you like 1k chips or not.

I tend to agree, especially if we're talking about standard/common colors (like green/black/purple).

I will say that the only reason I was able to determine which chip (yellow or orange) was the highest denom was because it was oversized. In the set I was referring to earlier in the thread, my orange is actually the 1k and the non-demon yellow would be the 5k. Not worried about it in my particular set since it would be the only non-denom chip in the set.

 

[bentax1978]

Or 1,000 (orange), which is the standard color in Atlantic City.
The 1,000 (yellow) is standard in Vegas.

Also, when I see a yellow chip, my default value is $20.

The fact that the orange is oversized was the reason I (assumed) it had a higher value than the yellow.

 

[Mental Nomad]

True... but then again, if the orange is 1,000 and the yellow is 20, then the sizes are still all correct for standard Atlantic City values.

You're also assuming that the picture has the chips in value order, lowest to highest. If you put them in random order, in stacks, I'm sure a lot of my players would be constantly asking the values. We play mostly cash - I know the values from having been a dealer in AC, but they don't, necessarily.

 

[bentax1978]

True... but then again, if the orange is 1,000 and the yellow is 20, then the sizes are still all correct for standard Atlantic City values.

You're also assuming that the picture has the chips in value order, lowest to highest. If you put them in random order, in stacks, I'm sure a lot of my players would be constantly asking the values. We play mostly cash - I know the values from having been a dealer in AC, but they don't, necessarily.

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, I was only explaining why I answered the way I did.

I personally strongly prefer denominated sets, both for cash and tournament. I'm still wondering if I can deal with the single non-denom chips I posted above in post 17, though I think in that particular case it wouldn't be an issue.

 

[Dwight87]

I tend to agree, especially if we're talking about standard/common colors (like green/black/purple).

I will say that the only reason I was able to determine which chip (yellow or orange) was the highest denom was because it was oversized. In the set I was referring to earlier in the thread, my orange is actually the 1k and the non-demon yellow would be the 5k. Not worried about it in my particular set since it would be the only non-denom chip in the set.

View attachment 39850

You could always add these T5000 chips to complete your awesome tourney denom set.

GC$5000

• Dwight87
• Apr 27, 2016

 

[bentax1978]

You could always add these T5000 chips to complete your awesome tourney denom set.

GC$5000

• Dwight87
• Apr 27, 2016

Are those for sale?

 

[Dwight87]

Are those for sale?

Trades only for what I want in my sig.

 

[bentax1978]

Trades only for what I want in my sig.

Unfortunately, I have nothing you want.

Yellow starbursts FTW

 

[Dwight87]

Unfortunately, I have nothing you want.

Yellow starbursts FTW

Yeah, yellow starburst work well with your set. Keep me in mind if you ever come across anything in my sig, even singles and want to trade for denom T5000 GC. By the way, I also have these in case you want to keep the same color.

GCYellowncv

• Dwight87
• Apr 27, 2016

 

[trever]

Non-denom is OK and you don't necessarily have to match the exact color progressions used by casinos, but please don't directly contradict them.

I played in one tournament that had casino standard colors but they were all assigned to the wrong denomination (green $100, black $25 etc) and it drove me crazy.

 

[bentax1978]

Yeah, yellow starburst work well with your set. Keep me in mind if you ever come across anything in my sig, even singles and want to trade for denom T5000 GC. By the way, I also have these in case you want to keep the same color.

GCYellowncv

• Dwight87
• Apr 27, 2016

I saw similar ones on CT last week (not for sale, just in an album). They were actually Biloxi non-denoms, but otherwise very similar.

I'll keep my eyes open for possible trade opportunities to acquire some of the things in your signature.

Anyway, don't want to derail this thread more than I have. I'll shoot you a PM if I ever get any of the things you're looking for and you want to talk trades.

 

[AWenger]

But it may make sense to use my legacy non-denom set for tourneys to save a couple of bucks? What do you guys think?

I host with non-denominated chips, there will be a chart on every wall with color scans of the chips and their denominations

I have values on the big-screen with the blind timer, and on the "cheat sheet" cards (index cards that show the blind structure on one side and the hands ranking on the other).

For a game I ran with non-denominated chips (blue, white, red, yellow) I created mini-sized cheat sheets with pics of each color chip and the associated denomination printed in color on roughly 3"x5" size paper. (I found this easier to do in Microsoft Excel, copied all the cells, to fit 6 or 8 on 1 page, and used "print to fit 1 page", then cut with scissors after printing.). I gave them out to each player who wanted one along with their buy-in chips. I got a little ribbing for being so anal, but it helped cut down the "what is this chip worth" questions, especially to the new players. I reused them over and over for many games, too.

If the chips had very similar shades and edge spots, I'd probably use different colors -- for example, if a black chip with white spots looked very similar to a dark blue chips with the same white spots -- I'd probably avoid using those 2 shades together.

 

[BGinGA]

it may make sense to use my legacy non-denom set for tourneys to save a couple of bucks? What do you guys think?

Imo, it's never worth sacrificing clarity or efficiency to save a couple of bucks. A couple hundred bucks, maybe. A couple thousand bucks, sure. But just a couple of bucks? Not even worth asking the question.....

 

[Poker Zombie]

Sacrificing clarity to save money is just a poor choice, like buying a set of dice chips.

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Exactly like buying a set of dice chips.