PAHWM: 25NL Zone at Ignition (As9d in BB) (1 Viewer)

[boltonguy]

$0.10/$0.25 NL Zone anonymous 6-max fast fold at Ignition.

Folds around to SB who opens to $0.75 (3BB). Hero is in BB with .

Hero?

 

[Eriks]

A case can be made for both flatting and 3-betting I think.

Flat: keeping villains range really wide with a decent holding in position. Should be prepared to call down/a couple of streets on a lot of 9xx/Axx or even on other dry looking none A/9-boards.

3-bet: A9o doesn’t have a lot of playability post and ending the hand pre and picking up the open can't be bad. Not loving it if he calls though but maybe he folds enough pre/on the flop to make this a good play.

Correct answer is probably to do a mix of calling and 3-betting

 

[naked_eskimo]

Not a big fan of a weak Ax OOP, but in a blind vs blind situation? 3-bet for sure. If you flop an ace, c-bet, if raised, fold probably, or go into bluff catching mode if not too expensive.

I don't know. Personally, I find weak aces to be problematic and probably cost me more money over time than I win with them. I might even just fold pre and move on to the next hand.

I'm super nitty, though.

 

[RowdyRawhide]

Call. probably not calling a bet if I miss the flop

 

[boltonguy]

Hero flats with . I will 3 bet - as well as premium hands like + but tend to call with the middle hands.
Flop comes and Villain bets 2/3 pot or $0.97. Pot is $5.13.
Hero?

 

[JustinInMN]

Fine with the flat pre, in position, I tend to flat wide, both in the strong and weak side of hands. In the SB against a steal raise with the BB yet to act I tend to call less and both fold and 3 bet more.

Knowing stack depth would help with the flop decision. I probably prefer the raise just because hero can win this without having to hit the draw.

 

[Eriks]

I’m gonna go ahead and give another Doug Polk answer: flat some of the time and raise some of the time. We’re going to have 56/55/66 that is gonna want to raise as well so raising some draws as well makes sense.

I think we want to flat a hand like this some of the some as well as with the aforementioned big hands to protect our calling range from not being weak pairs only.

 

[boltonguy]

@JustinInMN Villain is effective stack at $29.66.

 

[JustinInMN]

@JustinInMN Villain is effective stack at $29.66.

Cool so deep enough where we would think about sizing. I think I would be raising to 3-4 bucks here.

Since it's zone and ignition is anonymous, I am not so concerned about developing a GTO strategy, we can only estimate how many calls or folds to expect.

 

[boltonguy]

$0.25 NL Zone fast fold anonymous on Ignition.
Effective stack (Villain) is $29.66. Hero is in BB with with $33.08.
Folds to Villain in SB who opens to $0.75. Hero calls.
Flop is
Villain bets 2/3 pot or $0.97. Pot is $5.13.
Hero is definitely raising here with . Would prefer to take it down now blocking the nut flush & NFD versus calling and hoping to hit. Hero raises to $2.66.
Villain re-raises to $8.22. Pot is $12.38.
Hero?

 

[FDLmold]

You're 28% against a set or a made flush, and 35% against 2 pair. I don't know if we can range villain with anything else. Kings with maybe?

 

[JustinInMN]

This is where zone is hard. You can't get a feel for villian's flop raise frequencies which widely would influence this decision in a normal game. I guess my instinct is I am dead to nothing and I can put a few hands in villian's range where I am actually in pretty good shape. May as well ship it.

But if I know villian to be a tight flop raiser, I could find a fold here, but that data point isn't available.

 

[JustinInMN]

You're 28% against a set or a made flush, and 35% against 2 pair. I don't know if we can range villain with anything else. Kings with maybe?

Villian could have one pair and no spade pretty easily here imo, just trying to put pressure on the , could be on a bluff just trying to fold out air before the board gets worse.

But again, it's anonymous zone, hard to rule these things likely or not without history.

 

[asknoble]

I would have done the same pre, same logic After the flop comes, I would have put villain on a flop betting range of top pair or better, K/Q fd and any oe/gssd. And then I call with my entire range and never raise because I personally wont have enough bluffs I'm willing to carry along with me that potentially over-realize their equity on the next street since villain is unlikely to fold here having bet the flop and more likely to fold on many turn/river cards. is certainly a raising hand if you choose have a raising range here, I'd include sets, made flushes, w/o pair for their nut-blocking, 50/50 my pairs and any oesds and hope they're still sticky on later streets despite holding their nut blocking range I'll be thinking the villain having been raised is likely to try to exploit me by 3b quite linearly with any pair or better and 1st and 2nd nut blockers (obviously doesn't have the former here, so doing worse against that range). So, I'd min-4b with any made or flush, SFDs, and any board pairs, expecting to be raised all-in w/ almost his entire range he 3b. I'll fold the bottom half of my range and call with the rest including my A9 . Against his 5b push, I'm happy to call 100% of what I have there!

 

[boltonguy]

Hero ships it. I figure - he doesnt have the so even if he already has a flush he's gotta be worried that I have him out-flushed with the nuts right now.
If he has a single spade and the flush comes in, I win. And I have 3 outs to top pair!
Villain folds and hero scoops the $17.05 pot. I download hand histories 24 hours later and V had

 

[JustinInMN]

Villian could have one pair and no spade pretty easily here imo, just trying to put pressure on the ,

Villain could be on no pair and one spade as it turns out.

Results-oriented, still a good shove, I don't know how you get the rest of the money to the middle unless you get outdrawn. You could hope for a safe turn and hope villain bluff-shoves. You could hope for a spade and that villain will play sticky with , I suppose. Otherwise I think you got what you could and played for denial of equity, and the occasion where villain would have to lay down the "better" one-pair hand.

Nice hand.