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Gunnar

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Okey for simplicity Im playing in kr but lets talk about $.

Live game
8 People
Stakes 1/2$
Cash on table 15000$

D-Seat 1.
SB-Seat 2.
BB-Seat 3. "Hugo" 2500$ ( LAG )
UTG-Seat 4. ME 1300$
Seat 5.
Seat 6. Carlos "250$"
Seat 7.
Seat 8. "Peter" 1600$ ( Good player, not drinking, TAG )

Blinds posted.
Hugo raises to 40$
I look down.
:as::qs:
I re-raise 120$

Seat 5 fold.

Seat 6 Carlos " ALL IN " 250$

Peter Seat 8. Calls

Folded to me
I Flat.



POT
793$

I´m UTG with 1050$ left´
Peter has 1350$

Flop is

:4s::5s::6c:

Action is on you guys :)
 
bet $365 to get Peter off his straight draw with an over pair, scoop the pot and never call an all in with AQ suited again. that's just me.
 
bet $365 to get Peter off his straight draw with an over pair, scoop the pot and never call an all in with AQ suited again. that's just me.

Well the player all-in was quite drunk and was really loose.
 
Easy shove on the flop. The pot is just too big to do anything else. This is a great combination of a spot that looks like it has fold equity plus a solid draw for backup, and your SPR is barely more than 1.

If you get called, you have at least a live flush draw twice, and you may also have one or two live overcards. If he folds, you may have bought yourself outs to win the pot (e.g., your ace may become live, and certain runner-runner shots will no longer hurt you).

In the future, you might want to decline to reraise with AQ suited in an 8-handed game, especially when the opening preflop raise is a crazy size like 20 BB.
 
This many callers means you have some very loose players, are behind already or both. I don't see too many options here. Your initial raise should have put Carlos all in and some (say $350) knowing that short stacked, he'd get squirrely.
Post flop your not dead and with a nut flush on the horizon you should tread lightly. IMO I'm betting, but looking for info.
 
Shove pre when it gets back to you. As played, you hit a great flop. Bet-call or slight overshove is fine.
 
POT
793$

I´m UTG with 1050$ left´
Peter has 1350$

Flop is

:4s::5s::6c:

Action is on you guys :)

If you guys want to peek what heppens next.

I think to my self, well it is very unlikely that he hit something, with this cards. He usually folds his bad cards and is aggressive with good hands. So a smaller bet will give me option.
I Bet 250$
Hoping for a fold or an raise
He just calls.....

BAM! :6s: hits the table
Action on me,
I Have 800$
He has 1100$

Pot is 1393$
 
I vote all in on the flop. I think this is the least interesting decision of the hand, the meat is in the preflop action.

PS now that I see the spoilers I think Hero is wrapped up in fancy play syndrome. The 30% pot sized flop bet where hero needs fold equity is a mistake. Same with some of the preflop. As played, jam all-in with the ace high flush. If Villain has the straight flush, quads or full house, well such is life.
 
I agree, that bet was clearly a mistake

My read on him was that he might have a lower par that hit a set on the flop, if you would have an big par he would have raised more preflop.

So my next action is that I check the action to him and he instantly shoves . I think about it for a moment and I find a Fold.

Original all in has 88
My Villain shows 66
So I folded A high flush and he got quads
 
This guy called 60 big blinds pre with 66? I wouldn't call him good or a TAG, and based on these observations I wouldn't be surprised if he was blackout drunk as well. As far as the flop goes, I agree with Jim, I'm over-shoving all day. And as far as folding, while in this specific instance it may have been the correct fold, over the long haul it's a weakness that can be exploited.
 
{ I have taken the liberty to rework the table positions. We know the big blind did not make the first preflop raise unless everyone at the table limped first. So, the deeper stacked villain must be UTG and the rest moved one seat away from their listed position.}

It is plausible that Hero has such astoundingly good villain reads that he can accurately find his way through this hand post flop. We can't know this one way or the other with one to five word descriptions for each villain. It would be more than a little strange for the "TAG" villain to cold call a 125BB four bet preflop with the original UTG raiser and the deep stacked 3-better both having the chance to reraise and force pocket sixes to fold. And then take a passive line when flopping top set on a really wet board with an SPR less than two. TAG means tight and aggressive. Villain in this hand was neither tight nor aggressive.

However absent such an undisclosed read, Hero should not let himself mistake a good result as coming from proper play. Check folding the turn is an egregious error. Hero holds the nut flush and is limiting a LAG villain to full house or better. Hero owes 800 to win 3,000 meaning he needs to be spot on his read 75% of the time when dealing with a "TAG" who has cold called 125BB preflop. I wouldn't have listed a single hand that beats hero in this villain's range. A TAG cold calling that big a package of bets preflop is playing KK or AA ( my bet is exactly AA) and is trapping.

Don't do it that way even if it worked out ok this time -=- DrStrange
 
It was the cold call preflop that bothered me AA or KK would have shoved.

I put him on a pair maybe J's or Q's
But then when he called me again I thought he maybe hit a lower set or had a K? In spades

I'm not the best player out there far from it and I'm only happy to see that I have a lot to learn! Thanks for the feedback.
 
{ I have taken the liberty to rework the table positions. We know the big blind did not make the first preflop raise unless everyone at the table limped first. So, the deeper stacked villain must be UTG and the rest moved one seat away from their listed position.}

It is plausible that Hero has such astoundingly good villain reads that he can accurately find his way through this hand post flop. We can't know this one way or the other with one to five word descriptions for each villain. It would be more than a little strange for the "TAG" villain to cold call a 125BB four bet preflop with the original UTG raiser and the deep stacked 3-better both having the chance to reraise and force pocket sixes to fold. And then take a passive line when flopping top set on a really wet board with an SPR less than two. TAG means tight and aggressive. Villain in this hand was neither tight nor aggressive.

However absent such an undisclosed read, Hero should not let himself mistake a good result as coming from proper play. Check folding the turn is an egregious error. Hero holds the nut flush and is limiting a LAG villain to full house or better. Hero owes 800 to win 3,000 meaning he needs to be spot on his read 75% of the time when dealing with a "TAG" who has cold called 125BB preflop. I wouldn't have listed a single hand that beats hero in this villain's range. A TAG cold calling that big a package of bets preflop is playing KK or AA ( my bet is exactly AA) and is trapping.

Don't do it that way even if it worked out ok this time -=- DrStrange



Think about it.

Someone goes All-in and you have AA or KK it is an instant shove. But a lower pair wants to see the flop. I must admit that I never put him on 66 or 55 in the beginning.
I was thinking

Now after the flop I make a fancy idot bet I see that now, a shove might have scared him off. But see If I shove on the flop.
He is likly to fold
AK
QQ
JJ
But these are all hands that I want a call from that moment and get a little bit of extra money.
Hands that would call that all-in
AA
KK
And I already think he would have gone all-in preflop with thoose hands.

So I maket he fancy feel bet. 250$ 30%pot
He flats it.
Again AA or KK would have went all-in, K flush draw also. Where does that leave us ?

So I see the turn. Another 6 and a spade.
If I shove he is pot commited but still 1100$ is 1100$ He will fold all normal pairs. So that leaves us with three hand that would call us.
66
55
44
They are unlikly but more likly than any other. So I think to my self if I check he either shoves his good hand or checks behind hoping for some card that will never change anything making me able to shove on the
River.
 
The preflop play is the most interesting thing about this hand.

Why would anyone flat a $250 all-in 4-bet with pocket aces rather than 5-bet?
1) You do it for deception. A 5-bet after all that action screams AA or KK if the 5-bet player is tight.
2) you do it trying to trick/trap the other big stacks left to act. This play does increase the risk for a player with pocket aces, but the low SPR acts as a buffer to the risk.
a) Maybe Hugo the LAG will get frisky with the top end of his likely wide open range. Maybe Hugo the LAG will stack off on the flop with top pair or an overpair.
b) We do not know Hero's table image. It could be the trap is laid for Hero, expecting he might go all-in trying to isolate.

The reason why a thinking tight player doesn't set mine with a smaller pair is that he isn't getting good enough odds. It costs him $250 to try and set mine - roughly one chance in eight to flop a set. But what can he win? The pot is at best going to be $1,000 and the effective stacks are 1,350 (Hugo), 1,050 (hero), 1,350 (Peter). So Peter needs to flop a set AND get other of the other players to stack off AND not get beaten by a better hand even with a flopped set AND not get 5-bet all in preflop, AND if Peter gets all of elements of the parley to work out he makes barely better than the 7-1 odds he had to flop a set.

Playing deep stacked poker is complicated. It gets worse when you have a 125BB "short stack" mixed in with people playing 650BB+ deep. If he actually had held a top 1% hand, Peter would have been facing a hard [ though enviable ] spot pre-flop. Jamming is the safest play, it gets Peter heads up with 40 + 120 + 250 + 250 in the pot and an estimated 80% equity - so risking $250 and expecting to win something like $525 ----> that gives a $275 profit for one play, damn good for a $1/$2 game. But if Peter can somehow get a sidepot with one of the other deep stacked players, he stands to make something like four times more than the safe play. IF it works out as planned, because we know the tricky play is not as safe as a shove.

How about Hero's preflop line? I can respect the isolation raise to $120 trying to trap a possibly drunk LAG playing a deep stack. It isn't for the faint of heart, but that kind of play can pay off handsomely.

But what are we to make of Hero's decision to flat the 4-bet all in? On the surface, the pot odds are excellent but the implied odds are tricky. Hero has to flop a pair or flush draw to continue with hand post flop. Hero is getting trapped if he flops as ace vs someone with AK or if he flops a queen vs a player with an over pair. I am inclined to fold hero's AQs if I respect Hero's read of "Good player, not drinking, TAG" because I can't see any hand in his range that is worse than Hero's AQs.
 
The preflop play is the most interesting thing about this hand.

Why would anyone flat a $250 all-in 4-bet with pocket aces rather than 5-bet?
1) You do it for deception. A 5-bet after all that action screams AA or KK if the 5-bet player is tight.
2) you do it trying to trick/trap the other big stacks left to act. This play does increase the risk for a player with pocket aces, but the low SPR acts as a buffer to the risk.
a) Maybe Hugo the LAG will get frisky with the top end of his likely wide open range. Maybe Hugo the LAG will stack off on the flop with top pair or an overpair.
b) We do not know Hero's table image. It could be the trap is laid for Hero, expecting he might go all-in trying to isolate.

The reason why a thinking tight player doesn't set mine with a smaller pair is that he isn't getting good enough odds. It costs him $250 to try and set mine - roughly one chance in eight to flop a set. But what can he win? The pot is at best going to be $1,000 and the effective stacks are 1,350 (Hugo), 1,050 (hero), 1,350 (Peter). So Peter needs to flop a set AND get other of the other players to stack off AND not get beaten by a better hand even with a flopped set AND not get 5-bet all in preflop, AND if Peter gets all of elements of the parley to work out he makes barely better than the 7-1 odds he had to flop a set.

Playing deep stacked poker is complicated. It gets worse when you have a 125BB "short stack" mixed in with people playing 650BB+ deep. If he actually had held a top 1% hand, Peter would have been facing a hard [ though enviable ] spot pre-flop. Jamming is the safest play, it gets Peter heads up with 40 + 120 + 250 + 250 in the pot and an estimated 80% equity - so risking $250 and expecting to win something like $525 ----> that gives a $275 profit for one play, damn good for a $1/$2 game. But if Peter can somehow get a sidepot with one of the other deep stacked players, he stands to make something like four times more than the safe play. IF it works out as planned, because we know the tricky play is not as safe as a shove.

How about Hero's preflop line? I can respect the isolation raise to $120 trying to trap a possibly drunk LAG playing a deep stack. It isn't for the faint of heart, but that kind of play can pay off handsomely.

But what are we to make of Hero's decision to flat the 4-bet all in? On the surface, the pot odds are excellent but the implied odds are tricky. Hero has to flop a pair or flush draw to continue with hand post flop. Hero is getting trapped if he flops as ace vs someone with AK or if he flops a queen vs a player with an over pair. I am inclined to fold hero's AQs if I respect Hero's read of "Good player, not drinking, TAG" because I can't see any hand in his range that is worse than Hero's AQs.


Damn man! Thank you for your time and comment I love this forum!

I know I have a lot to learn and I will take this comments and learn from them.

I marked the player as TAG. We both bought inn for 200$ we had been playing for 4-5 hours and all his showdowns to that point wore almost always nuts, sometimes he went really agressive and overbetted again and again but he usually scared all of or showed the best hand.

I ended up changing those 800$ up to 3200$ in a 7hour session. He left an hour before me with around 5k.
 

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