PLO200 6max Good Kings IP (1 Viewer)

[mipevi]

Online 6max €1/2, €200 max buy-in.

UTG €1097.00 (VPIP/PFR/3bet: 25/16/7)
MP €894.28 (31/16/7)
CO €1248.25 (38/25/11)
BTN €449.00 (Hero)
SB €273.50 (82/42/24)
BB €1212.01 (29/20/7)

All opponents tend to apply pressure post-flop. Hero's image is TAG.

CO was absent and posts €2 to join the hand. UTG folds, MP opens to €8, CO calls. Pot is €19, action on Hero with ?

 

[Hornet]

I most likely pot, although I think flatting is also fine.

 

[200 Motels]

I like 3bet because SB is playing every frigin hand so get in a big pot in pos with him.

 

[Rhodeman77]

I like a raise here most of the time. But mixing in a call is not bad either. Mostly because SB does call everything!! And once he calls it is most likely everyone else calls too. Now we are playing a bloated pot with a pretty small stack to pot ratio.

Just calling could give up more room to maneuver post flop.

 

[surfik]

3 bet... Your hand is good enough....

 

[DrStrange]

Pot or call, no other option is on my radar.

Hero's hand is good, not great, but still a choice hand with playing power. Short stacked this is a "go to war" hand. But Hero is 225bb deep. Hero holds the button. I think either option holds promise, let's consider what Hero wants and what might happen.

If Hero pots the hand ($27 on top or $35 all day), he has to ponder how to proceed post flop. Does he think a c-bet post flop wins very often? If we get three way action with ~$110 in the pot and $414 left behind is Hero going to war with just a pair of kings? This "SPR" seems a bit awkward in a multiway pot.

One goal I would want to attain is keeping SB in the hand. Yes he plays lots of hands, but how many time is he cold calling a 3-bet vs trying to see a cheap flop?

If Hero calls, he is mostly going to be playing fit/fold post flop in very multiway hand. He has plenty of ways to fit beyond make a set.

If hero 3-bets he is going to try and win the hand with a pair of kings sometimes - not stacking off perhaps but Hero is planning to c-bet favorable flops without a big hand.

I can't say which one is best. Hero's HUD doesn't offer us post flop notes about the table though I would hope Hero actually has a lot more information on his screen. The three bet plan seems a path to winning a lot more medium sized pots. The call seems like a way to stack the SB on a fortunate run out but Hero is folding a lot of flops when unimproved.

Toss a coin perhaps? Without post flop HUD information either path seems to hold good potential. -=- DrStrange

 

[mipevi]

What kind of post-flop notes would you have considered @DrStrange ?

I decided to just call. If the SB was an average Joe or he was 200bb+ deep as well, I would have 3bet pot. As played, I'm trying to make sure SB joins the party and because he is aggro, I feel my 3bet would handcuff him more than I'd like.

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UTG €1097.00 (VPIP/PFR/3bet: 25/16/7)
MP €894.28 (31/16/7)
CO €1248.25 (38/25/11)
BTN €449.00 (Hero)
SB €273.50 (82/42/24)
BB €1212.01 (29/20/7)

All opponents tend to apply pressure post-flop. Hero's image is TAG.

CO was absent and posts €2 to join the hand. UTG folds, MP opens to €8, CO calls. Hero calls with and SB pots it to €42. BB folds, MP and CO call. Action on Hero with €136 in the pot and €34 to call?

 

[DrStrange]

Back in the day when on-line poker was legal . . . .

I had my HUD set up to track something like ten post flop data points - several measures of aggression, fit/fold vs calling station, how often check raise how often float, all sorts of things. In limit games, I paid attention to blind steal and defense. I didn't spend precious screen space on the blinds playing bit bet poker. My HUD allowed me to perform data calculations to create any relevant information I wanted to see if only I could figure how to write the equation(s).

Eventually I knew a lot more about how players performed post flop than preflop. However sample size is a huge issue. You can gain a grasp of VPiP in a few dozen hands. You will need hundreds of hands or a lot more to learn how a player handles the turn following a c-bet flop. But Hero eventually knows a lot after a few thousand hands and would be remiss not to focus on post flop data as that is when the biggest bets are made and when most critical reads are needed. Plenty of players play their monsters and bluffs face up if only we knew how to look for that.

These days I likely would be little more than an amateur being at least a decade behind the cutting edge -=- DrStrange

PS Hero should 4-bet - pot now. That is $188 + $42 or $230. Hero is pot committed vs SB on any flop. Hero will need to recalculate if someone else comes along for the ride. But Hero has less than a pot sized bet left, so it is going to be hard to find a fold.

 

[Hornet]

Hero calls with and SB pots it to €42. BB folds, MP and CO call. Action on Hero with €136 in the pot and €34 to call?

At this point I try to isolate SB ... you’re ahead of his range. Two options. You can either pot for a little over $200, or if you are confident SB will 5-bet you could make it $120 or so. That would allow you to get your entire stack in pf if MP or CO come along for the ride. Potting is probably the best option unless you are very confident SB will 5-bet shove.

 

[mipevi]

@DrStrange I use a two panel HUD with ~25 stats tracked for pre and post each. But I don't usually look at post-flop stats in multiway hands pre, I suppose it's mostly for the lack of time when multitabling, but also because multiway pots tend to keep people more honest post-flop. I do take them into consideration when the pot looks like it could become heads up.

 

[200 Motels]

I decided to just call. If the SB was an average Joe or he was 200bb+ deep as well, I would have 3bet pot. As played, I'm trying to make sure SB joins the party and because he is aggro, I feel my 3bet would handcuff him more than I'd like.
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Hero calls with and SB pots it to €42. BB folds, MP and CO call. Action on Hero with €136 in the pot and €34 to call?

I look for SBs 3bet percentage, see I only have 50 hands on him and then look at their Agg Freq. Fak it, his PFR is high enough that I'm screaming POT! This is a great spot to pick up the dead dollars imo and get it in vs SB who does not always have AA here.

 

[mipevi]

I think it was a good spot for SB to squeeze with any reasonable holdings. While he's certainly not short-stacked, he is way shortest of the table, and 3betting creates a scenario where he can pot flop quite light and MP/CO will be in a difficult spot. On the BTN I would be able to call down light if MP and CO folded, but I agree that it's better to try to isolate SB. I'm hoping MP/CO would fold some Axxx hands, maybe even with a flush draw dominating mine.

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UTG €1097.00 (VPIP/PFR/3bet: 25/16/7)
MP €894.28 (31/16/7)
CO €1248.25 (38/25/11)
BTN €449.00 (Hero)
SB €273.50 (82/42/24)
BB €1212.01 (29/20/7)

All opponents tend to apply pressure post-flop. Hero's image is TAG.

CO was absent and posts €2 to join the hand. UTG folds, MP opens to €8, CO calls. Hero calls with and SB pots it to €42. BB folds, MP and CO call. Hero pots, SB shoves, MP and CO fold and Hero calls. SB shows and the board runs, SB takes it down with top two. GGWP.

There was €86 of dead money in the pot and Hero ended up a 61% favorite. I guesstimate against SB's whole range in this spot we're at least a 55% favorite. I think there was a slight chance MP/CO could still be holding AAxx when I 4bet because they are just so deep, but mostly I expect them to 4bet themselves.

 

[Hornet]

I think you played it well. My guess is that you are better than a 55% favorite against SB’s range. With all of the dead money, it was a very profitable line.

 

[mipevi]

Yeah against a top 15% range Hero is ~55%, and I think that is the absolute tightest the SB is 3betting here (likely even wider, depending how aware or spazzy he is).