Riffle Riffle Box Riffle (2 Viewers)

[KingWithTheAxe]

So, “dealers shuffle,” Riffle, Riffle, Box, Riffle.

My question is during the Box, how many times are you cutting it down. I seem to do about 5 strips but was wondering if it should be more or less?

 

[KingWithTheAxe]

Is there any value to like 10 strips for instance, or 3?

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Between 3 and 5 for me. If you get down to 10 packets it just looks more suspicious, you want the last packet to be a decent chunk. Tough to cheat when there's another riffle and a 3rd party cut/cut card but not impossible, and its easier if you glimpse the last few cards, your riffles keep them on the bottom and your box brings them to the top.


Not a big deal either way, I wouldn't notice unless it was a single cut or 10 like you said, anything between 3 and 6 packets are fine.

 

[justsomedude]

I got into this guy's videos when I first started hosting. His vids are great. Box is at 5:23...

 

[chippitydoodah]

I like this guys little videos

He says 4 strips

 

[springbox]

Generally when I box I do 4 packets. I think 10 would be way too many. 3-6 is fine.

 

[Bacon Dad]

I normally do 3. After the last riffle do you all do a final cut (1/2 the deck) onto the cut card?

 

[KingWithTheAxe]

Alright, in instances where there is no rush. You’re out of the hand, and you’re the one shuffling.. if you riffle riffle box riffle…. Then you riffle riffle box riffle, did you just defeat the purpose of the original box?

 

[zoomies]

I normally do 3. After the last riffle do you all do a final cut (1/2 the deck) onto the cut card?

Yes, my game shuffles behind the current dealer, then passes the deck to the current dealer for a cut, then passes to the dealer of the next hand to be dealt.

 

[KingWithTheAxe]

let me make my real question. When it’s not, “holy shit I just need to shuffle fast,” what is the procedure for the most randomized most shuffled order?

any MIT doctoral candidates?

 

[chippitydoodah]

I normally do 3. After the last riffle do you all do a final cut (1/2 the deck) onto the cut card?

Shuffling behind I put the cut card on top of the shuffled deck and put it between me and the current dealer for him to cut for the next hand

 

[justsomedude]

let me make my real question. When it’s not, “holy shit I just need to shuffle fast,” what is the procedure for the most randomized most shuffled order?

any MIT doctoral candidates?

The Wall Street Journal ran a piece on this back in 2018: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-trick-behind-properly-shuffling-cards-1526043600

Here's the paper the article is based on if you're interested: https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=92119

In short, a riffle on a new/ordered deck will not result in a random outcome. That being said, once you wash the cards and do a few riffles, the order will be random enough to play. Will a deck be "totally" random after collecting cards and doing the standard riffle-riffle-box-riffle-cut? Probably not from a "purely random" scientific standpoint, but it's random enough for casinos and home games, insofar as no one will be able to follow a card through the deck, or predict the order in which the cards will be dealt.

Try not to overthink it... you'll drive yourself batty.

 

[allforcharity]

I shuffle slightly longer.

Ruffle box riffle riffle box riffle and then ready for cut.

With box I try to take 5 straps of the deck. Every now and then a 6th gets in there.

 

[KingWithTheAxe]

I shuffle slightly longer.

Ruffle box riffle riffle box riffle and then ready for cut.

With box I try to take 5 straps of the deck. Every now and then a 6th gets in there.

This is what I’m talking about, when time permits this is what I’d prefer and what I hope to look across the table and see someone else doing….

But is it science? I’m a straight up victim-blaming science-denier, so don’t take this the wring way…but can we make the new dealer shuffle Riffle Box Riffle Riffle Box Riffle…. Since presumably that would take, 5.5 seconds longer and could truly randomize in a much better manner?

 

[allforcharity]

This is what I’m talking about, when time permits this is what I’d prefer and what I hope to look across the table and see someone else doing….

But is it science? I’m a straight up victim-blaming science-denier, so don’t take this the wring way…but can we make the new dealer shuffle Riffle Box Riffle Riffle Box Riffle…. Since presumably that would take, 5.5 seconds longer and could truly randomize in a much better manner?

I have not actually done the research. I have heard through the grapevine of the common wisdom that it takes 7 consecutive riffles to adequately randomize a deck (which probably really means 90-95% of the way there, statistically). I figure throwing two boxes in the middle there might approximate 3 riffles. It's just a feeling, but rarely does the extra shuffles hold up any action.

 

[AlbinoDragon]

This is what I’m talking about, when time permits this is what I’d prefer and what I hope to look across the table and see someone else doing….

But is it science? I’m a straight up victim-blaming science-denier, so don’t take this the wring way…but can we make the new dealer shuffle Riffle Box Riffle Riffle Box Riffle…. Since presumably that would take, 5.5 seconds longer and could truly randomize in a much better manner?

Why not just load the deck in a blackjack continuous shuffle machine to satisfy your need for randomness?? The cards coming back from folded hands add randomness. A few shuffles and a box is just that and then a bit more.

You are over-thinking this. Way over thinking this.

 

[justsomedude]

The cards coming back from folded hands add randomness.

This.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

Truly random will never happen but there's the law of diminishing returns to consider: your first riffle shuffles do the most to mix up the cards, followed by the next set, etc. You can add some more boxes and riffles but cards together may remain that way because we're imperfect.