Rockets on the BB (1 Viewer)

[FoldKing72]

Just going to make it quick and explain it like how it is...

I'm holding AA in the BB at a 1/3 game.

Option so I raise to 26.00. 5 callers, flop comes 45J rainbow, I bet 60.00 with 1 caller. This guy has lost a few big hands, while I been there no more then 30 minutes.

Turn is an 8 of hearts. Now theres a possible flush draw, I sholve 165.00..... he thinks and thinks a bit and calls. River is a 3. I flip over AA and he turns over 33.

This may have been the worst hand ever played vs me that won. Had to walk away and call it a night. Maybe I should of raised it 40 pre.

Anyway, rant over.

 

[detroitdad]

I think I would have bet more post flop. Maybe 2/3rds pot. Even then I doubt that changes anything.

 

[Anthony]

brutal mate.

 

[upNdown]

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[Chippy McChiperson]

I would have folded the river when he turned over trip threes.

 

[FoldKing72]

I would have folded the river when he turned over trip threes.

He rivered the 3, but now that I think of it, I should of played if less aggressive. Continue my 60.00 bet. Im sure he thought he was good holding a pair vs his read on me of maybe holding AK, AQ.

 

[Shaggy]

Take a deep breath and rebuy. The guy is horrible. You played it perfectly. All the money went in with you way ahead.

 

[Shaggy]

The only improvement would be to raise more pre if $26 gets you five callers.

 

[David O]

He rivered the 3, but now that I think of it, I should of played if less aggressive. Continue my 60.00 bet. Im sure he thought he was good holding a pair vs his read on me of maybe holding AK, AQ.

You played it okay. Actually that is the kind of player that you want sitting at your table. That should have been an automatic rebuy and play your game. the odds of him hitting his set on the river is like 4:1 or around 20% meaning 80 percent of the time you win. So now if you both play the way you all did through the session you should come out okay.
When someone like that draws out on me, years ago I would have been steaming. I learned a long time ago though that that is the type of player you want at your table. So now I congratulate them and tell them "Nice River!" Smile and reload!

 

[Ronoh]

Shrug... silly to assume he's a bad player. Even the worst low stakes players aren't normally calling off their stacks with an underpair to the board and no draws hoping to river a set. If hero has AK the hand could easily have played out the same way.

 

[onerand]

You played it okay. Actually that is the kind of player that you want sitting at your table. That should have been an automatic rebuy and play your game. the odds of him hitting his set on the river is like 4:1 or around 20% meaning 80 percent of the time you win. So now if you both play the way you all did through the session you should come out okay.
When someone like that draws out on me, years ago I would have been steaming. I learned a long time ago though that that is the type of player you want at your table. So now I congratulate them and tell them "Nice River!" Smile and reload!

David, your math is wrong, or you meant to say something else.

As for leaving the casino, it's fine, and correct if you know you are about to tilt. Don't do it with your friends or a home game you want to be invited back to. But in a casino, if you have tilt issues you are working on, leaving is correct.

 

[David O]

So tell us your math please! If you are going to call it out you should at least give your input.

I agree that if he was on tilt then getting up is correct which is a given. I simply stated how how I react now versus before and rebuy is what I would do.

Also if you read a couple of posts before mine you can see the same advice given of basically saying to take a deep breath and rebuy.

 

[DrStrange]

Drawing to turn a pair into a set has only two outs. Drawing to a two-out river means the player has two desirable cards out of the 44 unknown cards (52 cards in a deck, 2 in Hero's hand, 2 in Villain's hand, 3 flop cards and 1 turn card leaves 44 ) 2/44 = 0.045 or a bit worse than 20-1. (Please note that folded cards and the burn cards are unknown just like the rest of the stub.)

If Villain were drawing to a full house, holding a set, that would be 10 outs from a 44 card sample or 0.227. Lots of us round that off to 20% for easy mental calculations.

I am just guessing, but I think David O was thinking "full house draw" when he posted his math.

Villain got his money in drawing thin, which is exactly the sort of thing Hero should hope for. Hero's final $165 bet was called by villain with only a tiny chance to win. But a tiny chance isn't no chance - it was villain's lucky day, at least for this one hand.

DrStrange

 

[RiverAce01]

I agree with the post above that said raise more post flop if $26 gets you callers. Or next time just raise more than $26. I don't know why you're raising $26 in a 1/3 game when you have the option, but to each his own. I would have no doubt folded if I was anyone else at the table unless I also had rockets or maybe AK suited. Otherwise the BB bumping to $26 when he has the option is making me fold. Even then I'd still consider folding AK suited just because my first assumption about the raiser would be "he has aces, he's trying to take it pre" especially with that large of a raise.

So yea, if betting like that gets you callers then by all means next time around raise more.

A hand like this is why I, personally, can never go crazy playing AA. You just never know what could be coming. If it were me and I kept getting a caller or callers, I'd check the turn most likely. On that flop, you don't know if someone is holding 55 and flopped a set or 88 and turned a set. There are a lot of nitty guys at low stakes who will stay in with a pocket pair even if someone in front of them raises big. I never assume aces is automatically a winning hand. But at the same time, I have no idea why your villain is playing 3s that far. I would have tilted too

 

[Ronoh]

Drawing to turn a pair into a set has only two outs. Drawing to a two-out river means the player has two desirable cards out of the 44 unknown cards (52 cards in a deck, 2 in Hero's hand, 2 in Villain's hand, 3 flop cards and 1 turn card leaves 44 ) 2/44 = 0.045 or a bit worse than 20-1. (Please note that folded cards and the burn cards are unknown just like the rest of the stub.)

2 out of 46... other players live cards are just as unknown as the burns and folds.

 

[DrStrange]

We have already specified villain's hand as 3-3 to even be making this calculation.

 

[AWenger]

This may have been the worst hand ever played vs me that won.

Yep. Story checks out.

Shrug... silly to assume he's a bad player. Even the worst low stakes players aren't normally calling off their stacks with an underpair to the board and no draws hoping to river a set. If hero has AK the hand could easily have played out the same way.

Ronoh has a point -- not necessarily a bad play; maybe he is a calling station, but maybe it was just a bad read by a good player who thought you were bluffing.

but now that I think of it, I should of played if less aggressive. Continue my 60.00 bet. Im sure he thought he was good holding a pair vs his read on me of maybe holding AK, AQ.

Don't overthink it. You played it perfectly. The $60 flop bet (into $130 or $150) is fine in my book too, it sets up a shove on the turn when you have only $165 behind. And $60 on th flop likely gets called by hands like 88, TT, J9, hands you're ahead of that you want to call. A $60 turn bet instead of a shove for $165 wouldn't likely change anything.

When someone like that draws out on me, years ago I would have been steaming. I learned a long time ago though that that is the type of player you want at your table. So now I congratulate them and tell them "Nice River!" Smile and reload!

^^ This!

Had to walk away and call it a night.

Unless I was already planning to leave anyway, or I had already rebought into the game 4 or 5 times in the session, I would never leave when this opponent is still at the table*. I might take a break for a round or so after a hand like that, but I'd reload and sit back down. There have been times where players have made bad calls against me and won a big pot, but I then go on to win some or all of it back in later hands. (*The worst scenario is when villain makes one of these calls, scoops a big pot, and then they immediately rack up and leave.)

 

[Mr Shifty]

Just going to make it quick and explain it like how it is...

I'm holding AA in the BB at a 1/3 game.

Option so I raise to 26.00. 5 callers, flop comes 45J rainbow, I bet 60.00 with 1 caller. This guy has lost a few big hands, while I been there no more then 30 minutes.

Turn is an 8 of hearts. Now theres a possible flush draw, I sholve 165.00..... he thinks and thinks a bit and calls. River is a 3. I flip over AA and he turns over 33.

This may have been the worst hand ever played vs me that won. Had to walk away and call it a night. Maybe I should of raised it 40 pre.

Anyway, rant over.

the worst feeling ever. last week i bet big with AA and lost to 49 suited. like why are you even in the hand???

 

[upNdown]

the worst feeling ever. last week i bet big with AA and lost to 49 suited. like why are you even in the hand???

That is friggen brutal.
Unless it's an all-in tournament situation and he was in position to be the only caller, that call is inexcusable.

 

[Mr Shifty]

That is friggen brutal.
Unless it's an all-in tournament situation and he was in position to be the only caller, that call is inexcusable.

worst part about it he said it was a great call...

 

[RiverAce01]

Had AA cracked last night by a guy who was behind me preflop and I raised in 1/2 to $20. Guy ended up showing down with 9 8 suited and rivered a set of 8s. After I raised preflop. He called. Bet the flop at another $20. He made a pair of 8s so he called for some reason. Check turn. He sat and thought about it then checked. Bet the river and of course he called with a set. I don't blame him there. But with it going runner runner to put 4 diamonds on the board.

In retrospect, I place it partially on myself not betting the turn. If I had I think I would habe gotten him out. Then when the diamond came on the end I waited too long to make my bet. If I had quickly threw my bet out there I think I could have sold it as an Ace high flush.

So I put it on myself for some things. But still 9 8 of clubs in late position (I believe 2 behind the button) why are you even staying in with that? Then with the same bet I made pre flop with just a pair of 8s still staying in. I just don't get it sometimes

 

[MatB]

I like AA pre-flop. Typically after that i'm staring at a rainbow board with only a pair in my hand.

To the OP. If i was 33 villain, i would have assumed you were overplaying AK or AQ and missed.

And to all. Raise all you want pre. I'm calling with suited connectors. I'm an optimist!!

 

[upNdown]

I got it yesterday.
Tournament was 800/1600, I was short stacked at about 22,000.
Small blind raises to 5k.
I looked at my stack for a second, went all in, he calls and has me covered.
He turns over his queens, I have aces.
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Shit
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DAMNIT!!!!