Tourney T1 blind structure (1 Viewer)

[indemans]

Hi everyone

I'm very new to hosting a poker game and chip structure/breakdown, but before buying a tournament chip set, I'm trying to figure out which breakdown and blind structure would be a good fit.

I'm looking to host no more then 10 people and wanted to check if for a T1 structure the following blind structure would work:

Starting stack would be 15/12/9/7 (which is a starting stack of 1000) and using denominations of 1/5/25/100/500.

Many thanks already for your feedback!

 

[allforcharity]

I don't understand the last colour up. You will still need T100 in play afterwards.

 

[Ainton]

I don't understand the last colour up. You will still need T100 in play afterwards.

Same with T25s

 

[indemans]

Correct, I didn’t think that one through. I guess that last color up wouldn’t make much sense as the jumps between blinds would get to high?

 

[Ainton]

The problem is that you remove the t25 while the blinds are 75/150, how do you make it 75 with just T100 and T500

 

[Eriks]

And you should color up the 1s before the 10/20 level. Is there a particular reason behind the T1 structure? Most do T25 or T100 with a few doing T5s as well. Is it a cash and tourney set? Generally, we would advise against that, given the risk of NCV tourney chips getting introduced to the cashgame.

 

[LeLe]

I think you can short-cut it by using a T5 table as base and work backwards

This is the table that I used for T5 2k starting stack

My T5 structure :
5-5 // only used if I want a deeper starting stack (400 BB)
5-10
5-15
10-20
15-30
20-40
30-60
40-80 // color-up the T5 after this level
50-100
75-150
100-200
150-300 // color-up the T25 after this level
200-400
300-600
400-800
600-1200 // your 10-players T2000 tournament without addon should end here or at the previous level
800-1600

Just add 1 or 2 more level before 5/10 or just change the 5/5 to 2/5

 

[indemans]

Thanks for all the feedback, I really appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge. It's very helpful for someone with zero experience

There is no particular reason for a T1 tournament structure, but after reading everyones opinion I guess that a T25 is the better way to go.

I'm considering going for a 300 chip CPC Rounders set, for a T10000 8/8/6/6 starting stack. Should I have enough with 80x25, 80x100, 60x500, 60x1000 and 40x5000 (for coloring up)? Again, I'll only be hosting a 10 people table at most.

 

[CarlosStorm]

I recommend that you watch more threads about this. But, for 10 people I'll go for 400 chips.

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/t-base-preference-for-tournaments.64499/

 

[SlowPokeTony]

Thanks for all the feedback, I really appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge. It's very helpful for someone with zero experience

There is no particular reason for a T1 tournament structure, but after reading everyones opinion I guess that a T25 is the better way to go.

I'm considering going for a 300 chip CPC Rounders set, for a T10000 8/8/6/6 starting stack. Should I have enough with 80x25, 80x100, 60x500, 60x1000 and 40x5000 (for coloring up)? Again, I'll only be hosting a 10 people table at most.

That breakdown works if you go 8/8/6/6 but your total is 320 chips there. You’d only have room for 20x5k. You’ll need 2 of them to color up the 25 and 100. Then possibly another 6 to color up the 500s. You don’t ever need to color up the 1k. So with 20 of them you have more than enough to cover your game as long as you’re not playing with rebuys. Also you never want to color up chips into chips that will also be getting colored up. So in a t25 I like to either take the 25/100 out at the same time and turn them into 5k, or just turn the 25s into 1k, then the same with the 100s. Then use 5k for any rebuys and to remove the 500s.

 

[indemans]

That breakdown works if you go 8/8/6/6 but your total is 320 chips there. You’d only have room for 20x5k. You’ll need 2 of them to color up the 25 and 100. Then possibly another 6 to color up the 500s. You don’t ever need to color up the 1k. So with 20 of them you have more than enough to cover your game as long as you’re not playing with rebuys. Also you never want to color up chips into chips that will also be getting colored up. So in a t25 I like to either take the 25/100 out at the same time and turn them into 5k, or just turn the 25s into 1k, then the same with the 100s. Then use 5k for any rebuys and to remove the 500s.

I’m sorry, but I meant indeed having only 20x5k chips, which brings the total chip count to 300.

I won’t be having rebuys, so I understand that a set of 300 would be sufficient.
Thanks again for the feedback!

 

[BamaT8ter]

For a T1 structure, find a T100 structure and knock off 2 zeros.

 

[Kentucky]

Shout out to the T1 lovers!
Give this a try:
T1 Starting stack of 1000 (10/8/10/7)

2/4
3/6
5/10
8/15
Color up $1
15/25
20/40
30/60
Color Up $5
50/100
75/150
125/250
Color Up $25
200/400
300/600
500/1000
Color Up $100? To be honest you should be finished by now…
500/1500
1500/2500
2000/4000
Color Up $500
3K/6K
5K/10K
…

 

[OKYJJ]

Thanks for all the feedback, I really appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge. It's very helpful for someone with zero experience

There is no particular reason for a T1 tournament structure, but after reading everyones opinion I guess that a T25 is the better way to go.

I'm considering going for a 300 chip CPC Rounders set, for a T10000 8/8/6/6 starting stack. Should I have enough with 80x25, 80x100, 60x500, 60x1000 and 40x5000 (for coloring up)? Again, I'll only be hosting a 10 people table at most.

I like the "T1" idea - being hardcore and contrarian!

Side note: I always thought the "T" abbreviation was for starting chip stack size, not starting chip denomination? Like T2000, T10,000, T50,000. But maybe it's used both ways.

I like to start with $5 chips with stacks of $2000 for tournaments with multiple rebuys.

And I like to start with $25 chips with stacks of $10,000 for tournaments with exactly one rebuy.

And then I like to start with $100 chips with stacks of 50K or 60K for freezouts.

I like the variety.

A lot of players though seem to always want it to be the same as the tournament they play most often at the casino, and whine a little when it's not. Most common used to be starting with 25s but now starting with 100s is getting more common, since the WSOP has made that switch.

 

[SlowPokeTony]

I like the "T1" idea - being hardcore and contrarian!

Side note: I always thought the "T" abbreviation was for starting chip stack size, not starting chip denomination? Like T2000, T10,000, T50,000. But maybe it's used both ways.

I like to start with $5 chips with stacks of $2000 for tournaments with multiple rebuys.

And I like to start with $25 chips with stacks of $10,000 for tournaments with exactly one rebuy.

And then I like to start with $100 chips with stacks of 50K or 60K for freezouts.

I like the variety.

A lot of players though seem to always want it to be the same as the tournament they play most often at the casino, and whine a little when it's not. Most common used to be starting with 25s but now starting with 100s is getting more common, since the WSOP has made that switch.

T just means tournament chips and not cash value chips. I think most players do enjoy consistency wherever they play, it doesn’t necessarily mean each tournament needs to be like a casino. T5 base with 2,500 starting stacks is the standard game for my group. They’d find it weird if they showed up and it was T25 with 10k stacks and the chips were all new colors.

 

[Ben8257]

Absolutely nothing wrong with running a T1 based tourney. People giving advice to step up to another denom as the base chip??? That's not what OP was asking.

I do question why you would want to start at 2/4 though... you are correct to give a total stack of T1,000 in that situation (200 - 250 BBs is the standard)... but why not start with T1/T2 and a total stack of 500, it is the same # of big blinds.

I still laugh my butt off that people think they are so "original and fresh" running T100 based tournies, you added a couple zeros... congratulations!

We run T1 for our turbos and while 10/8/10/2 works just fine. I like many others like more chips on the table, especially for Single Table Tournies (STT) there fore when the set will allow it I run starting of 15/13/9/2, no it is not needed to go to 15, but less change making and more chips in play just makes things run a bit easier. There are those in the camp of "efficiency, efficiency, efficiency!!" That say more chips in play slows the pace of the game... but we are talking about a neighbor hood game with friends gathering in a social outing, we want to be inviting to new players to the game. I would consider myself pretty experienced and even I absolutely hate feeling short stacked off the break with an "efficent" break down. Again if you are on a budget and can only afford so many chips.. then by all means go with the efficient breakdown, but if you can afford it and the chips are available, I can promise folks would rather have more chips in their stacks off the break.

One thing I do notice in the OP is level 2, that is a 100% increase, while it doesn't seem like a big deal, after 1 level you have half of the # of big blinds. Something I don't think many people think about and I learned here on the forum. At low levels who is paying attention to that? But should be avoided if possible. If you want to stick woth the 2/4 structure I would suggest. 2/4, 3/6, 5/10, 8/16, 12/24, chip up (T1s) 15/30, 20/40, 30/60, chip up (T5s) 50/100, 75/150, 100/200, 150/300, chip up (T25s) 200/400, 300/600, 400/800, 600/1200, 800/1600, 1000/2000

Often this is going to get chopped @ 3 - 4 players as people will be nagging to start the next game (if you plan on playing more than 1, we often play 3 in one evening.

I realize this is an older post, but with today's bump it is quite possible that other chippers are thinking about running a T1 based game. Figured it was worth commenting on.

Keep on chippin!
Ben

 

[ALLin2Seven]

@Ben8257
Im interested in T1 tourney as well but im new to hosting.

Would starting out with
20/16/8/2 ($500 | 46 chips)
And $500 plaques to help color up
be too much for a table of 10 in your experience?

 

[Ben8257]

@Ben8257
Im interested in T1 tourney as well but im new to hosting.

Would starting out with
20/16/8/2 ($500 | 46 chips)
And $500 plaques to help color up
be too much for a table of 10 in your experience?

That sounds heavy on $1s good sir, personally I wouldn't go past (15) max. I really like 15/12/9/2... remember the T1s are not in play for very long. With this breakdown you still get 38 chips which is quite a few and will play much more fluidly... not a bunch of change making.

Also many folks around here say only to chip up with "large chips" the idea they have is not to have to replace chips later with chips that have already been replaced. But you are removing a large # of chips (over 1/3 of the total in play) in the first chips up. Some of these guys would say replace the T1s (150 total in play with 10 players x 15) with T25s, I prefer to add more of the next denom. (20) T25, (2) T25 is a good ratio... get some more work horses in there to avoid pesky change making situations.

So for your 10 player set I would do this breakdown.
15 x T1 = 15 x 10 =150
12 × T5 = 60 x 10 = 120
9 x T25 = 225 x 10 = 90
2 x T100 = 200 x 10 = 20

Chip up # 1 no T1s x 150 = 150/(round up) 200
We need (20) T5s and (4) T25s

Chip up # 2 no T5s x 140 = 700/(ru)900
We need (20) T25s (4) T100s

Chip up # 3 no T25s x 114 = 2,850/(ru) 3,500
We need (20) T100s (3) T500s

Total set would be:
T1 - 150
T5 - 140
T25 - 114
T100 - 44
T500 - 3 (or 15 more T100s)

Stick to the above levels expect starting T1 based level 1 would be T1/2, level 2 would be T1/3 and then copy what is above in post #16.

If you want to allow rebuys it gets a bit more complicated as far as obviously we need to account for those chips and work them into the #s. Feel free to PM me and I would be happy to help get you set up for your first game!! Exciting stuff

(PS: I like mocking up chip stacks like the next guy... unfortunately the only T1 base set I had at arms reach isn't deep enough to mock 10 stacks, but I did mock up 6 for you to see this is quite a few chips in play off the break!)

Fellow Chipper Ben