The Great Game of Pot Limit Omaha (1 Viewer)

[duecesneverloses]

Live 2/2 PLO Hero in BB with AThhAKcc. Utg starts the hand with 34. Co starts the hand with 180. Button starts the hand with 415. Hero covers all. Co and Button are the most aggressive players in the game by far between the two of them they are responsible for a 3! or 4! pre almost every hand. Game just started only been playing 10 hands but they are definitely button clicking action players. 4 dollar straddle on the button sb calls I raise to 14. Utg jams for 34. folds to Co who raises to 90 Bu calls sb folds and its on me. Hero repots to 312. Co instacalls and its on the button who if he calls the raise he is left with 103 behind so he does the reasonable thing if he wants to call and jams pre I call. Think this is the best line here with top 5% of starting hands in PLO?

 

[derekdd23]

I think this is the only way you can play it with the given action. 100% of the time you should be happy to get it in here.

 

[Psypher1000]

You're starting with a pair of bullets (and a healthy dose of redraw if its needed) against super-LAGs who have an extremely narrow chance to match your starting pair, and not much better of a chance to match/exceed your full holdings. The pot's juiced, and you have all relevant players covered. Your hand pre-flop and this situation seems ready-made for you to play for stacks.

In short, get as much of it in as you can here, and let the dealer sort out the rest.

 

[duecesneverloses]

I think this is the only way you can play it with the given action. 100% of the time you should be happy to get it in here.

This was my thought if nothing else the button when I repot will have a super raggy hand given he is capped at a hand he doesn't want to jam with.

 

[mike32]

I am no strategy expert but that is a dream starting hand. My thought would be if I don't put it all on the line with this hand, I don't belong at the table.

 

[duecesneverloses]

Oddly enough this play is roughly breakeven given preflop equities run so close.

 

[DrStrange]

Perhaps I am reading the math wrong. It looks to me like Hero is curb-stomping the villains.

Hero holds a tippy-top starting hand for Omaha, one of the few that runs significantly ahead of the field. All-in preflop is a splendid result for Hero with as many runners in the hand as he can get.

 

[duecesneverloses]

Perhaps I am reading the math wrong. It looks to me like Hero is curb-stomping the villains.

Hero holds a tippy-top starting hand for Omaha, one of the few that runs significantly ahead of the field. All-in preflop is a splendid result for Hero with as many runners in the hand as he can get.

But I have 40% equity so longterm I am only winning 400ish dollars of this 1000ish dollar pot. I am investong 415 into the pot. So longterm this play isnt as slam dunk as one might think.

Although if I thought that button could fold any portion of the time I am then crushing the other two hands which have pocketpairs.

 

[BGinGA]

Your stats are for PLO8. I'd wager your odds in PLO with AhThAcKc against those villain hands is much higher.

And wtf is T652 rainbow doing in this hand?

 

[derekdd23]

But I have 40% equity so longterm I am only winning 400ish dollars of this 1000ish dollar pot. I am investong 415 into the pot. So longterm this play isnt as slam dunk as one might think.

Although if I thought that button could fold any portion of the time I am then crushing the other two hands which have pocketpairs.

Your math is way off. Not everyone has equity on every part of the pot. There were some shorter stacks in there who are only playing for part of the pot.

 

[derekdd23]

Your stats are for PLO8. I'd wager your odds in PLO with AhThAcKc against those villain hands is much higher.

And wtf is T652 rainbow doing in this hand?

The button for PLO 8 was not checked

 

[BGinGA]

Individually, AhThAcKc is better than 73-27 vs JJ hand, better than 79-21 vs QQ hand, and better than 70-30 vs the rag hand, in varying size pots.

Too lazy to look up the actual equities with associated hands per each pot, but I cannot imagine that it's going to be less than 50% overall (espeically if rag hand is only in the main pot).


EDIT: Hero hand vs just the two paired hands is over 59%, and over 53% three-way vs JJ and rags.

 

[duecesneverloses]

Your math is way off. Not everyone has equity on every part of the pot. There were some shorter stacks in there who are only playing for part of the pot.

I am aware of this just not home and did a quick and dirty raw equity between all the hands. Yeah I know i have tons of equity in the biggest sidepot against the raggy hand. When i get home I can do a proper breakdown and figure out true EV of what my hand would stand to make.

 

[BGinGA]

Actually, your equity vs the rags is lower than vs either paired hand.

Your 40% equity is only for the main pot, which is a mere $136 or so (+$55). The big gains come in the two side pots where you are 53%+ and 70%+ favorites.

 

[duecesneverloses]

Actually, your equity vs the rags is lower than vs either paired hand.

Yes but more equity compared to the 4 way action is what I meant.

And I end up with 70% of the equity vs the raggy hand for the biggest side pot of $570.

 

[derekdd23]

I am aware of this just not home and did a quick and dirty raw equity between all the hands. Yeah I know i have tons of equity in the biggest sidepot against the raggy hand. When i get home I can do a proper breakdown and figure out true EV of what my hand would stand to make.

Also you are putting in equity calculations vs exact holdings when the real calculations are based upon the villain's ranges. There is a program whose name I forget that will allow you to calculate PLO hands vs ranges. Im guessing against some really wide ranges your equity is quite high.

In summary never fold here, fist pump get it in. If you are not comfortable enough to get it in, you are playing the wrong game or dont have a big enough bank roll.

 

[duecesneverloses]

Also you are putting in equity calculations vs exact holdings when the real calculations are based upon the villain's ranges. There is a program whose name I forget that will allow you to calculate PLO hands vs ranges. Im guessing against some really wide ranges your equity is quite high.

In summary never fold here, fist pump get it in. If you are not comfortable enough to get it in, you are playing the wrong game or dont have a big enough bank roll.

100% agree thats why I didn't really feel like crunching numbers to find what the real EV of the hand was. Ive used a program like that and have it on my PC but I am out of town only with my laptop. Yeah If not getting double suited aces all in pre for 200bb I think you should just not play the game.

Just used the online exact hand vs hand equity calc to math it out I win $686.73 On average based off raw equity hand vs hand in each of the side pots sorry for being lazy earlier.

 

[upNdown]

Straight PLO is not for the faint of heart, especially when playing with LAGs

 

[duecesneverloses]

Straight PLO is not for the faint of heart, especially when playing with LAGs

Yeah but I still prefer PLO over any of the HiLo variants. Just gotta have a stomach for variance.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Double suited Aces with two other broadway cards? If you have a chance to get it all in pre, and aren't, then you are losing equity.

 

[krafticus]

SO, you call/jam.. what happened.?

 

[duecesneverloses]

Yeah never had any intentions of folding just frustrated and posted the hand here even though theres not really much to discuss about the hand.T high wins with a rivered straight on 4 spade board. 550bb pot shipped to that guy. he then proceeded to try and run it up at 5/5plo. he was back after 20 minutes there minbuying at 2,2 after going busto at 5,5.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

Yeah never had any intentions of folding just frustrated and posted the hand here even though theres not really much to discuss about the hand.T high wins with a rivered straight on 4 spade board. 550bb pot shipped to that guy. he then proceeded to try and run it up at 5/5plo. he was back after 20 minutes there minbuying at 2,2 after going busto at 5,5.

Obviously variance is much higher in PLO than in Hold 'em, that's why you shouldn't worry too much about one bad beat. As long as you are properly rolled to be playing at these stakes, over the long term this play will pay off for you.