Using dollar coins as $1 chips in $2-$5 NLHE Home Game? (1 Viewer)

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I'm looking to make a cash setup of 1,000 chips but it needs to spread from a friendly $2-$5 NLHE $300 buy ins to bigger $5-$10 PLO with $2,000 buy ins [and with straddles can play way bigger].

I was considering:
  • $1 x 100
  • $5 x 200
  • $25 x 300
  • $100 x 300
  • $500 x 50
  • $1,000 x 50
I care more about the player experience of the bigger game so was considering getting more big chips and using actual dollar coins for the $2-$5 game. Most people keep the standard opens to multiples of $5 so the $1 coins are used for blinds and tips. Moreover I can always eliminate or add more dollar coins as my needs change. Is this a crazy thought to use actual coinage on the table along with chips? Is there a risk to marring the poker chips?

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
Having a mix of chips and dollar coins introduces several risks, namely confusion and security. The latter I would be particularly concerned with spreading these game stakes.

The breakdown you posted should work for what you need. You have a roughly $80K bank; do you expect more to be on the table at a given time during the PLO game? If you do, consider taking a rack of $25s and do 50 more $500 and $1000s to make up the difference.
 
Did you just say "friendly" $2/$5 NLHE & $5/$10 PLO games? Maybe I need to play higher stakes where it's more casual because I've seen .25/.50 games get violent!
Some games you park on the street. Some games you park in the driveway. Other games you park on the lawn.

Then there are the games where you park on the helipad.
 
Hero could also just spread $5/$5 and forget the dollars.

This wouldn't work if there are professional dealers involved who expect and depend on tips unless the players are tipping $5 chips anyway.
 
Did you just say "friendly" $2/$5 NLHE & $5/$10 PLO games? Maybe I need to play higher stakes where it's more casual because I've seen .25/.50 games get violent!
The $2/$5 NLHE is very friendly and the people are in general wealthier than the bigger game. There is no security concern there.

When you talk about game security do you mean chips getting "brought in". I was going to make another post about that. I'm looking at new chips just because of this concern (although the games I play have had no problems). I haven't searched the forums but what's the best way to mitigate this risk.... The big game is still very friendly all things considered. There are way too many etiquette violations that make me crazy.

Re: bringing in chips (stealing). It only takes 1 person but I guess you'd know rather quickly if your chips don't fit in the racks anymore. Can I mark my big chips with UV pen or something?

Hero could also just spread $5/$5 and forget the dollars.

This wouldn't work if there are professional dealers involved who expect and depend on tips unless the players are tipping $5 chips anyway.
Yes the $2-$5 not having dollar chips would effect the dealer. The bigger games have no $1 chips and tip $5 minimum.

Not only do coins not stack well, I don’t like the idea of people tossing a heavy price of metal on top of cost chips. It’s a recipe to destroy the chips.
OK thanks for that. That was my concern.

Coins don't stack well. Just get a secure set of cash chips.

A *really* secure set of cash chips. Start by defining your bank needs. Are we talking $50,000-$100,000 in a night?
Over $50k has happened. My spread above has $113k bank which should be good enough. I was going to get some $5k plaques just in case. I don't know what *really* secure means for cash chips. I don't play tournaments so the big chips will never be anything but what they are. I have concerns about chips being brought in (see above) but it's never happened yet.
 
Over $50k has happened. My spread above has $113k bank which should be good enough. I was going to get some $5k plaques just in case. I don't know what *really* secure means for cash chips. I don't play tournaments so the big chips will never be anything but what they are. I have concerns about chips being brought in (see above) but it's never happened yet.

By *really* secure I mean custom. Custom can be cheap like Tina's, or more expensive like CPCs. For a game this big I would do the latter, since even Tina will print your design for other people.

Plaques would be good, but again, should be custom. Go for MSK or Matsui.
 
using actual dollar coins

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Do you plan to take a rake? It would affect the break down.

What is your budget for chips?

Your break down isn't really going to support your game, check the break down post in my signature
 
By *really* secure I mean custom. Custom can be cheap like Tina's, or more expensive like CPCs. For a game this big I would do the latter, since even Tina will print your design for other people.

Plaques would be good, but again, should be custom. Go for MSK or Matsui.
Agree with this post as well.

I'll add right in the middle would be custom ceramics from @ABC Gifts and Awards / @BR Pro Poker . Granted that's still dye-sub ceramic-composites and not compressed clay-composite like CPC, but still a very secure option.
 
Do you plan to take a rake? It would affect the break down.

What is your budget for chips?

Your break down isn't really going to support your game, check the break down post in my signature
There isn't rake. Dealer would color up tips to bigger chips with neighbor stacks so only green leaves the table.

Tell you what my budget is way higher than it was before I found this forum! Spending more than $300 on chips seemed crazy to me a week ago and now I'm thinking anything around $800 is reasonable.

Agree with this post as well.

I'll add right in the middle would be custom ceramics from @ABC Gifts and Awards / @BR Pro Poker . Granted that's still dye-sub ceramic-composites and not compressed clay-composite like CPC, but still a very secure option.

Thanks. I didn't realize Semi Custom could be as inexpensive as $0.05 per chip at @BR Pro Poker. Definitely worth considering. The Dia De Los Muertos may be the coolest chips I've ever seen but no semi custom option available. Is it secure though? Even if I get Tikis that say "dizzyChipper's" house it isn't like BR Pro won't let another user print them. It's just that they're more likely to get caught I guess?
 
Chips. No other substitute is even an option.

You're considering a $2000 buy-in game, and you are thinking you should skimp on the $1 chips? This really doesn't make any sense to me.

So much this.

I hope OP is considering some sort of customs at these stakes.

I'm not trying to skimp on $1 chips - they'd cost more than most poker chips. I pointed out future flexibility being ideal with actual $1 chips (but I'm already over it).

I just want 1 set for mid & high stakes because it seems so inefficient to not use $5, $25, $100 in both games.
 
Do you plan to take a rake? It would affect the break down.

What is your budget for chips?

Your break down isn't really going to support your game, check the break down post in my signature
I encountered your chips breakdown post before. I must say getting $500 & $1,000 felt a little wrong because of your frac comments but it helped with the bank and any standard casino denom and color feels natural to me.

I think the breakdown does support the game and others have agreed. Even 10 handled I can support 3 barrels per player in green and black. For $3k buy ins it's $50-$100 red (1/2 to 1 barrel), $400-$450 green (3/4 barrel), $1,500 - $2,500 (3/4 to 1.25 barrel). So in a pinch I could supply a second table (provided enough big chips) but plenty of mid & small chips.
 
Oh, it's gonna be fun to watch you over the course of the next several months.
Seriously. I see why people go full custom CPC just so they think they can be done with this "task" and move on with their life! The amount of information I've ingested over the past few weeks is considerable. That's why I'm "dizzy".
 
There isn't rake. Dealer would color up tips to bigger chips with neighbor stacks so only green leaves the table.

Tell you what my budget is way higher than it was before I found this forum! Spending more than $300 on chips seemed crazy to me a week ago and now I'm thinking anything around $800 is reasonable.



Thanks. I didn't realize Semi Custom could be as inexpensive as $0.05 per chip at @BR Pro Poker. Definitely worth considering. The Dia De Los Muertos may be the coolest chips I've ever seen but no semi custom option available. Is it secure though? Even if I get Tikis that say "dizzyChipper's" house it isn't like BR Pro won't let another user print them. It's just that they're more likely to get caught I guess?
Go full custom.

$800 is less than 1/2 of your big game buy-in.

Then again, I've spent ~$30,000 on chips (multiple sets) for a $30 buy-in (that was a $20 buy-in when I bought them). I also rotate card manufacturers, so swapping in a marked card is difficult. Needless to say, it's a friendly game. But to keep a game going, you need to occasionally bring in new players. For new players, they like to know that they are not about to be scammed (poker has an unseemly reputation thanks to movies). You should make your game (at least look) as professional and secure as possible.

My game plays way lower, but it's been running roughly 20 years.
 
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I'm not trying to skimp on $1 chips - they'd cost more than most poker chips. I pointed out future flexibility being ideal with actual $1 chips (but I'm already over it).

I just want 1 set for mid & high stakes because it seems so inefficient to not use $5, $25, $100 in both games.
Classic Poker Chips

I'm assuming you are someone that enjoys quality. If your car costs more that $28,000, even though a $28,000 car will take you everywhere your car (or helicopter) would take you, then you should get a chipset that speaks to you and your game. Four of my sets are connected to how my wife and I met. Others have made tributes to their city, their street, their favorite tv show... the limits are endless.

$1 for a poker chip - if your budget allows $2000 losses (not even considering rebuys) in the realm of entertainment, that's skimping.
 
Classic Poker Chips

I'm assuming you are someone that enjoys quality. If your car costs more that $28,000, even though a $28,000 car will take you everywhere your car (or helicopter) would take you, then you should get a chipset that speaks to you and your game. Four of my sets are connected to how my wife and I met. Others have made tributes to their city, their street, their favorite tv show... the limits are endless.

$1 for a poker chip - if your budget allows $2000 losses (not even considering rebuys) in the realm of entertainment, that's skimping.
What is truly amazing about this hobby is how the higher costs become normalized so quickly. A week ago I was liking Bluff Canyon china slugs but the Kings Casino seemed similar for less money and now 14 gram china slugs are entirely off the table.
 
I encountered your chips breakdown post before. I must say getting $500 & $1,000 felt a little wrong because of your frac comments but it helped with the bank and any standard casino denom and color feels natural to me.

I think the breakdown does support the game and others have agreed. Even 10 handled I can support 3 barrels per player in green and black. For $3k buy ins it's $50-$100 red (1/2 to 1 barrel), $400-$450 green (3/4 barrel), $1,500 - $2,500 (3/4 to 1.25 barrel). So in a pinch I could supply a second table (provided enough big chips) but plenty of mid & small chips.

There are 3 games around town where it plays like a 10 / 20, you need more 5s and you don't really need any 500 or 1ks, its good to have them but 20 maybe 40 would be good to have jic. Technically, there are no blinds, it's a button straddle 5-25, and it's mostly 40 to see a flop.

There is also a 2/5 w/ 5 bring in - PLO game at the local casino, on average players have 400 in 5s 500 in 25s and 3-20 100s, rarely do they have 500s.

If you take a rake you'll need a shit ton more of 5s, if you don't take a rake you'll need more 5s, your dealer will color up 1s and sit on 2 - 300 in 5s. If its friendly then you'll have multiple players playing splashy and not so much pot only bets preflop, players will need 300 - 400 5s. Players are more likely to call 40 bucks with 2 25s than 1 25 and 3 5s, but if they have 5s they will call with all 5s, but 40 bucks is almost 1/2 a stack of reds. Unless your min is 2k or ppl only buy in for 2k, I hear there are kwel kids that love these types of games and will sit with 300 hoping others over play their hands and run the 300 up rather than buy in for the max. I've also seen most players buy in for 'a rack of red' and play the same way.

if you rake a 2/5 you'll want at least 200 1s.

I would say at a min you'll want 500 in 5s, and if you're interested I'm considering selling these

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Hope this helps
 
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There are 3 games around town where it plays like a 10 / 20, you need more 5s and you don't really need any 500 or 1ks, its good to have them but 20 maybe 40 would be good to have jic. Technically, there are no blinds, it's a button straddle 5-25, and it's mostly 40 to see a flop.

There is also a 2/5 w/ 5 bring in - PLO game at the local casino, on average players have 400 in 5s 500 in 25s and 3-20 100s, rarely do they have 500s.

If you take a rake you'll need a shit ton more of 5s, if you don't take a rake you'll need more 5s, your dealer will color up 1s and sit on 2 - 300 in 5s. If its friendly then you'll have multiple players playing splashy and not so much pot only bets preflop, players will need 300 - 400 5s. Players are more likely to call 40 bucks with 2 25s than 1 25 and 3 5s, but if they have 5s they will call with all 5s, but 40 bucks is almost 1/2 a stack of reds. Unless your min is 2k or ppl only buy in for 2k, I hear there are kwel kids that love these types of games and will sit with 300 hoping others over play their hands and run the 300 up rather than buy in for the max. I've also seen most players buy in for 'a rack of red' and play the same way.

if you rake a 2/5 you'll want at least 200 1s.

I would say at a min you'll want 500 in 5s, and if you're interested I'm considering selling these


Hope this helps
You had to used THESE for an example??? :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:
 
It may sound like people are over-emphasizing security, but they’re not.

It’s going to be very unpleasant to get robbed for, at those stakes, possibly thousands of dollars. In a smaller game with less chips (value and actual #) it’s hard to pull crap like that. But in a 2/5 I imagine there are enough $25s and $100s on the table to make it hard to keep track.

You need a fully custom, secure design at least. BRPRO offers that i’m pretty sure. CPC would be the best option but also 2-3x more money.

You can also go with Tina via the group buys or directly, but they will offer your design to other people with no security concerns. Although someone at your game would have to be pretty knowledgeable and patient to pull something like that off (with Tina custom chips).
 
I. Love. Dollar coins. Whenever we play low stakes, I buy in exclusively with dollar coins. I think they are grossly underused in general. As others have stated, they’re not going to stack well. If they’re just for blinds and tipping, no one should be hoarding them, in theory.

That said, I think it’s cleaner to go with all chips for buy ins. But maybe using dollar coins exclusively for tipping? Keeps more money on the table. Does that raise any red flags for anyone?

As for your budget Vs a truly custom secure set, consider the cost of even one rogue high denomination chip being slipped onto the table. I’d much rather pay the money up front for a secure option rather than have to pay out of pocket later to cover whatever imposter chips show up.

By my math, your $800 budget plus covering one $1000 chip (or more likely 10 $100 chips) put you at a budget of $1800. That will definitely cover fully custom BRPro, or puts you a hop skip and a jump from a fully custom CPC set. Just my two dollar coins

Having a mix of chips and dollar coins introduces several risks, namely confusion and security.
I’m curious how it would be a security issue. A dollar is a dollar is a dollar. Could someone aid their own stack? Yes, but as the small chip, does that affect security?

Not only do coins not stack well, I don’t like the idea of people tossing a heavy price of metal on top of cost chips. It’s a recipe to destroy the chips.
I toyed around with using copper rounds and bars as a possible plaque and did some field testing of copper Vs chips. For science. I was pretty surprised at how resilient the clay was against both bars with a smooth edge and rounds with a reeded edge.

Would I trust this with irreplaceable chips or anything in the NAGB price range, especially if resale was on the table? Probably not. But unless you’ve got truly rowdy or misbehaved players, I think the contact would be as incidental as clay on clay
 
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My “field testing” link above is no good, so I guess I’ll do it the old fashioned way
The copper bars and rounds came in this week, and I played around with them, and even gave them a mini torture test against themselves as well as a clay chip.

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Durability:

Copper on copper crime was the biggest offender, which wasn’t really a surprise. The 0.999 copper was not soft by any stretch, but it does slightly deform the edges, especially as force is applied. The results below are from direct edge to edge forcible contact. Rather than true deformation, the edges get significantly rougher under this distress. It is rough enough where you can hear the edge “catching” fibers on the felt when the edge is run across the playing surface. While not insignificant, I would be surprised to see any noticeable damage to the felt unless someone was shuffling a plaque on one spot for a prolonged period.
Fresh edges
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After stress test
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I tried the same stress test with the edge of a copper bar and a clay chip. It does leave a mark on the chip, but not as much as I would have guessed before running the test. For transparency, the chip used was clearly not sharp, so I can’t speak to whether flea bites would occur, or at what rate, with a sharp chip. With a casino used chip I would say significant damage would be unlikely with normal game use.
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Pros:

Overall, I like the feel and the sound of the bars when they glance off each other. It’s a solid ring or clink when hitting other copper, and a satisfying heavy sound as it hits clay chips. It reminds me a lot of gold coins brushing across each other in any pirate movie ever. Some of the designs are very sharp and easy to read, and if you’re into coins too, you’ll recognize plenty of the available options (particularly the rounds, surprise surprise)

At ~$2.75/bar or round, it’s not a terrible price before shipping, and the cost per unit goes down quite a bit when buying bulk. Certainly more affordable than some of the premium chips on Forum. There are some options on eBay that were a comparative deal if you can find the design you’re looking for in bulk.
Of note, the 1 ounce rounds are 39mm in diameter, so they feel like they belong compared to most chips. They’d also rack up nicely with the rest of a 39mm set

Cons:
I found the bars to feel small, especially against a round of the same weight. I also felt that the designs on the bars felt messier and hard to read. The designs I felt worked the best drew from iconic coins of the past. This may just be a personal preference, but if I was going to implement them, I would opt for a much simpler design if possible. The edge roughness is certainly a downside, although I question if they would even show any rough wear if used under normal stresses.
With only two bars it’s hard to say how they would stack, but I’d guess they would have issues once you get over 10 or so since the field of the bars is recessed compared to the edges.

Conclusion:

If I could find a design I liked, I’d definitely consider these as a fun option. Under normal use, I don’t think there would be noticeable wear on either copper or clay, and I don’t think the risk to the playing surface is significant enough to deter me. When used as the big chip, I don’t think anyone would ever have enough in their stack to cause tipping issues. I would be curious to see how the oils from fingers/hot dogs/hamburgers would affect the patina over time. My gut says not enough to matter, but it is just a guess. If you’re lucky, maybe you’d even get some nice toning to really make them stand out. I would also be curious to see how a 5 ounce bar would stack up. At ~$10 per, the cost is significantly higher, but for my money, I’d be interested to see if this felt more like a plaque. And even at 5x the weight, I think the risk of damage would be less than I originally thought.
 

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