What 39mm Paulson's would resemble Horseshoe 43mm Secondaries? (2 Viewers)

[Smiff]

Will never be able to afford these and I'm hoping some chip historian will know what 39mm Paulsons would closest resemble these Secondaries in color and edge spots for a milling and re-label job to get close to these below.

Goal is a 1000 chip Gem Mint set.

$1 x 100 (20 mint chips so far....so hard to find these)
$2.50 (done - Mint Tri-Moons
$5 x 200 (done - have two racks of perfection here - stellar)
$25 x 200 (done - Secondaries)
$100 x 200 (done - Secondaries)
$500 x 100 (done - Secondaries)
$1,000 x 70 - Need a substitute chip here
$5,000 x 20 - Need a substitute chip here
$25,000 x 10 (Done Secondaries)

 

[liftapint]

What about buying the secondary Horseshoe CINCI chips at the upcoming sale, and either just using them as-is with the Cleveland's in a Horseshoe mixed set, or just relabeling those as Clevelands? If you buy them in the main sale and not after-market, that's probably a pretty good price for what you're trying to do.

I imagine @Gear can hook you up with labels, and there should be no milling (or actually, inlay replacement) necessary.

I haven't actually looked at how the chips would match up, but I"m guessing they would work pretty well given they kept a fairly similar color pallet. But I could be wrong.

 

[liftapint]

yeah, looking at the Cinci secondaries, I think those might make pretty good options. Is there a reason you want 39mm (cost, I presume). I think buying these (which will likely be in the $6-10/chip range) in the original sale would be a very good solution, given you only need 1 rack total. Yeah, that's a lot of money. But it would be a good solution, and at a third of the cost of the secondary Clevelands.

 

[Smiff]

That would be great except I betcha the pricing will still be comparable to Clebeland's. Those are maintaining $20/$30 so I dunno. Worth a shot.

I was thinking of this for the 1k

 

[Smiff]

yeah, looking at the Cinci secondaries, I think those might make pretty good options. Is there a reason you want 39mm (cost, I presume). I think buying these (which will likely be in the $6-10/chip range) in the original sale would be a very good solution, given you only need 1 rack total. Yeah, that's a lot of money. But it would be a good solution, and at a third of the cost of the secondary Clevelands.

If I could get them at $6 - $10 I'll be all over them. My guess is $18 - $25 and they'll sell out in 60 seconds. We'll see.

 

[liftapint]

That's not a TRK. Trust me.

I think your better bet is to get the Cinci secondaries. *if* you buy them in the initial offering, they are not going to be $20-$30/chip, I"m pretty sure. That's the secondary market inflating those prices on the Clevelands

 

[liftapint]

I would be very surprised if they were $18-$25 in the original release. I wouldn't search for another solution until you see the prices on those...because those would be the best solution, I think.

 

[Smiff]

Got it....I'm showing my ignorance.

 

[liftapint]

This Majestic TRK would have been perfect...but it's a TRK.

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I assure you, this chip is not what you want to go with the set you're building.

 

[Smiff]

These are the real deal?

I'm not mixing molds....it will have to be a Paulson,

 

[Mr. Cheese]

Cincinnati chips are probably going to be your best bet imo

 

[liftapint]

Yes, those are TRKs. Beautiful, REALLY beautiful TRK. You don't want these for the current set you're building. But trust me when I tell you that you want some of these (TRK) eventually.

 

[Marius L]

What about buying the secondary Horseshoe CINCI chips at the upcoming sale, and either just using them as-is with the Cleveland's in a Horseshoe mixed set, or just relabeling those as Clevelands? If you buy them in the main sale and not after-market, that's probably a pretty good price for what you're trying to do.

I imagine @Gear can hook you up with labels, and there should be no milling (or actually, inlay replacement) necessary.

I haven't actually looked at how the chips would match up, but I"m guessing they would work pretty well given they kept a fairly similar color pallet. But I could be wrong.

I agree this is a really good idea. The presale from the chiproom was around 6-9$ for the 1k and 5ks, and you probably wont find cheaper 43mm chips at least. At least wait with buying something else untill you see the pricing for the upcomming sale. These chips will probably keep their value as well, because of the pretty limited supply of 43mm paulsons across the line.

 

[GoStumpy]

Another vote for CIncinnati chips, they shouldnt be priced at the current market prices for Cleveland chips...

 

[BGinGA]

Another vote for CIncinnati chips, they shouldnt be priced at the current market prices for Cleveland chips...

i disagree. Jim @ TheChipRoom has historically offered the chipping community great casino chips for incredibly low prices. Nobody else does that, and I don't expect to see it with the Cincy Horseshoe chips, either.

They may not be priced as high as current market pricing for Cleveland chips, but they won't be blow-out giveaways, either. I suspect Todd will have them priced very near his perceived market value.... as he has always done with all chips he has sold in the past.

 

[liftapint]

i disagree. Jim @ TheChipRoom has historically offered the chipping community great casino chips for incredibly low prices. Nobody else does that, and I don't expect to see it with the Cincy Horseshoe chips, either.

They may not be priced as high as current market pricing for Cleveland chips, but they won't be blow-out giveaways, either. I suspect Todd will have them priced very near his perceived market value.... as he has always done with all chips he has sold in the past.

Could be. And it will be interesting to see how that business model works out. Especially with presumably a ton of chips to move. Was the Cleveland sale sufficient to whip up a frenzy so higher prices are warranted for these? I guess we will see. Thankful to not have a horse in the race, so to speak.

 

[slisk250]

$1,000 x 70 - Need a substitute chip here
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Gambler's Pleasure $1000?

 

[DJ Mack]

Could be. And it will be interesting to see how that business model works out. Especially with presumably a ton of chips to move. Was the Cleveland sale sufficient to whip up a frenzy so higher prices are warranted for these? I guess we will see.

I see a difference between paying higher prices to finish out your set or obtain an extra rack or two "just in case" versus paying secondary market prices to start with. Certainly people will buy but in nowhere near the same quantities, so as you point out, the potential of inventory sitting around remains if the pricing isn't matched correctly.

OP's problem isn't going to be solved in the next 48 hours, which, coincidentally is when TCE hopes to have pricing posted. At a minimum I'd suggest waiting to see what the Cincinnati prices look like before taking the project in another direction. One caveat, we were told the higher value chips would only be sold in sets so that could make it interesting.

 

[Smiff]

Yup...yup...I'll be waiting for pricing for sure. My great hope is that the Cincy's will pull the price of the Cleveland's down a bit. I'd probably pay an avg of $18 per chip to get the real deal, but not $27. Got nothing but time and it will take a helluva lot of that to find 100 Mint $1 chips anyway.You guys that contributed are the best. I'm a newbie and this is my first set ever and think it's just a blast bartering back and forth to put together this set. I'm hooked for sure.

 

[DJ Mack]

If your budget is $18/chip I don't think you'll have any problems especially as far as the $1ks go. There are For Sale listings right now with people offering between $13 and $16.

 

[genopark]

maybe these?

 

[Smiff]

Hmmmm....not bad at all....now I need to find Grey ones for the 5k. Nice...thx for that info. Found a better pick and now I really like it.

 

[Gear]

Will never be able to afford these and I'm hoping ... for a milling and re-label job to get close to these below.

I imagine @Gear can hook you up with labels...

Smiff, I'm impressed with your enthusiasm and creativity! and thanks @liftapint, I appreciate the support

Unfortunately, I'm not printing labels for Horseshoe $1000, $5000, or $25,000. The reason is basic economics, supply and demand. I'm unwilling to damage the value of the actual chips by reducing the demand for them. The prices are what they are because people are willing to pay them. If enough people stopped wanting the real chips because they could get labels instead, for a much lower cost, the price for the real thing will go down.

I'm trying to offer services to complement the existing chips, not compete with them. For example, printing 25c labels increases the value of the $1s and $5s (not to mention the snappers, which are popular re-label candidates) by making low-stakes playable sets possible.

There may eventually come a time when I'll be willing to print $1000, $5000, and/or $25,000 Horseshoe labels, but for now it's still much too early in the life-cycle of these chips. The Chip Room has only just recently sold the last of the Cleveland big chips, and the Chip Exchange's sale of Cincinnati chips is still to come. Printing high-denom labels at this stage would only hurt those businesses, and it would be wrong for me to do that.

 

[Smiff]

You know what...that totally makes sense and it never even crossed my mind. The reason being is that in my heart of hearts, it would make me crazy to complete a Mint Set that isn't real. It's so hard to find the Mint $1's and $5's and it just wouldn't be right to finish it off with anything other than the original chips. So perhaps they will just come down in price someday or perhaps it will be a "buy 2 chips a week for a year" type of thing.

But your integrity on this issue is spot on.

Thx Chief

 

[kmccormick100]

i disagree. Jim @ TheChipRoom has historically offered the chipping community great casino chips for incredibly low prices. Nobody else does that, and I don't expect to see it with the Cincy Horseshoe chips, either.

They may not be priced as high as current market pricing for Cleveland chips, but they won't be blow-out giveaways, either. I suspect Todd will have them priced very near his perceived market value.... as he has always done with all chips he has sold in the past.

Given the saturation of the market with 350k chips and depleted funds of a lot of members I don't think Todd will sell through his full inventory if priced over that of the original Cleveland sales. I think pricing them based off of the latter Cleveland sales would be a bit of a gamble on his part. I'm interested to see though.

 

[Smiff]

My money is on same pricing for everything but 43mm chips and I bet those will range from $15-$22.50 for the IPO

 

[upNdown]

You know what...that totally makes sense and it never even crossed my mind. The reason being is that in my heart of hearts, it would make me crazy to complete a Mint Set that isn't real. It's so hard to find the Mint $1's and $5's and it just wouldn't be right to finish it off with anything other than the original chips. So perhaps they will just come down in price someday or perhaps it will be a "buy 2 chips a week for a year" type of thing.
But your integrity on this issue is spot on.
Thx Chief

I agree with your new sentiment 100%. I'm all for making fakey quarters for a set that never had quarters, but making fake chips because you can't find or can't afford the real ones is bogus. Literally.

 

[BGinGA]

making fake chips because you can't find or can't afford the real ones is bogus.

Happens all the time. More so for impossible-to-find situations.

 

[upNdown]

Happens all the time. More so for impossible-to-find situations.

Oh I know. It just wouldn't work for me, personally.

 

[BGinGA]

I don't think Todd will sell through his full inventory if priced over that of the original Cleveland sales.

I'm not about to speak for Todd and his plans for the Cincy chips, but can only go by his previous sales history. In my experience, he sets prices that are fair and usually close to market value, and rarely lowers them - sometimes sitting on inventory for years. I could be wrong, but I hate to see people getting all fired up for another ChipRoom-type sale of mint chips for super-cheap prices, when I just don't think that's gonna happen. I'd also hate to see all of the lowball-price expectations turn into sour grapes and bad feelings towards Todd when he announces prices for his inventory.

In many ways, this is similar to the PCA vs Casablanca set releases. One was a TCR sale, the other was not..... and initial prices for the two sets of chips were worlds apart, for chips of similar condition. Aftermarket forces pretty much equalized prices for the two sets, but it was mostly a case of PCA prices increasing, and not Casablanca chip prices dropping.