Windwalker’s Chipping Journey in Pr0n0grAph1C Detail (18 Viewers)

I'm not familiar with other collecting communities - do they struggle with the same issue?
No. Every other collector's market I've ever seen respects the market values of each other's collectibles. Some may disagree slightly on high market vs low market, but this idea of trying to control the market with flipper-shaming pitchforks appears to be unique to the chipping hobby. Vintage toys, Star Wars collectibles, baseball cards, comic books, Legos, antique gas station signs, guns, knives, WW2 memorabilia, you name it. Every other collectibles hobby is sky-rocketing up in value right now, and all of those markets respect the market values of each other's collections. Nobody gives two fucks what anyone paid. They only care what it's worth now. Why half of this community is hell-bent on trying to control the market here is beyond me.
 
No. Every other collector's market I've ever seen respects the market values of each other's collectibles. Some may disagree slightly on high market vs low market, but this idea of trying to control the market with flipper-shaming pitchforks appears to be unique to the chipping hobby. Vintage toys, Star Wars collectibles, baseball cards, comic books, Legos, antique gas station signs, guns, knives, WW2 memorabilia, you name it. Every other collectibles hobby is sky-rocketing up in value right now, and all of those markets respect the values of each other's collectibles. Why half of this community is hell-bent on trying to control the market here is beyond me.
I’ve noticed the same dynamics on firearms forums where folks with large collections of firearms or ammo “cash in” during panic buy periods around elections. They buy thousands of of rounds at .13 and sell them at a buck. Or sell $500 Glocks for way more because the gun stores don’t have any. It really bothers some folks but they ate just filling a need.

not trying to be political just pointing out that there are other examples similar. I don’t really care what people buy or sell for. It’s poker chips not food staples.
 
I’ve noticed the same dynamics on firearms forums where folks with large collections of firearms or ammo “cash in” during panic buy periods around elections. They buy thousands of of rounds at .13 and sell them at a buck. Or sell $500 Glocks for way more because the gun stores don’t have any. It really bothers some folks but they ate just filling a need.

not trying to be political just pointing out that there are other examples similar. I don’t really care what people buy or sell for. It’s poker chips not food staples.
Firearms have been crazier then this shit. This place is level headed compared to the gun markets. Too close to politics. Wackadooooooo
 
No. Every other collector's market I've ever seen respects the market values of each other's collectibles. Some may disagree slightly on high market vs low market, but this idea of trying to control the market with flipper-shaming pitchforks appears to be unique to the chipping hobby. Vintage toys, Star Wars collectibles, baseball cards, comic books, Legos, antique gas station signs, guns, knives, WW2 memorabilia, you name it. Every other collectibles hobby is sky-rocketing up in value right now, and all of those markets respect the market values of each other's collections. Nobody gives two fucks what anyone paid. They only care what it's worth now. Why half of this community is hell-bent on trying to control the market here is beyond me.

You’re so right. We shouldn’t have to care about what we sell for. Apologies for thread capping one of your FS threads before.

I was lurking the past few months in a very cursory way. But when I saw even Jim advertise 43mm chips for $30/chip, then I see zero reason why anyone need to care what they sell their chips at.
 
No. Every other collector's market I've ever seen respects the market values of each other's collectibles. Some may disagree slightly on high market vs low market, but this idea of trying to control the market with flipper-shaming pitchforks appears to be unique to the chipping hobby. Vintage toys, Star Wars collectibles, baseball cards, comic books, Legos, antique gas station signs, guns, knives, WW2 memorabilia, you name it. Every other collectibles hobby is sky-rocketing up in value right now, and all of those markets respect the market values of each other's collections. Nobody gives two fucks what anyone paid. They only care what it's worth now. Why half of this community is hell-bent on trying to control the market here is beyond me.
I think a lot of people are just a bit sad and disappointed that the hobby has gone like the rest of the world. All about cash.

Profit aside, I just don't take as much joy out of chips that are really expensive and feel overvalued (to me personally at least).

In my mind, the production cost is still relevant, even if most of us will never have access to that price. I totally get that it's supply and demand causing prices to rise, but much like everything else in this social media world we live in, it's all come down to greed and thirst. I could join in and throw money at stuff (and occasionally I will if my need is great), but it seems so needless and silly, so I don't bother. I put a higher value on my hard earnt cash than that really.

My overall collection has gone up in value sure, so whilst the thrifty side of me is aware that's a good thing, overall I'd have preferred it had stayed low.

I'm at the point now where I get more enjoyment out of my customs and "bargain" sets that I can put together. That it's become a collectible type hobby is kind of lame imo.
 
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I'm at the point now where I get more enjoyment out of my customs and "bargain" sets that I can put together. That it's become a collectible type hobby is kind of lame imo.
I'm in the same boat now. I put together many of my favorite Paulson and TRK sets over the years because I loved those chips. But the market has since changed quite a bit. I never would have paid today's prices for them back when I got them, and I received offers for them that exceeded what they were worth to me personally, so I let them go. Then I bought more customs. I'm pretty stoked for them to arrive too! I have more CPC sets now than I do Paulson, TRK, and Bud Jones combined. I'm pretty sure my collection will stay that way going forward. I'm all about the customs now. Don't get me wrong, I still very much appreciate the grail sets like Lakeshores, ACF, Mapes, and Nevada Lodge, but the market for those types of chips has exceeded my own personal valuations for them. Hats off to the new owners. And it's fun to see them all still being put in play at meetups with fellow chippers.
 
4) manipulating the scale of objects (for example, collecting miniatures -- I don't have an equivalent in chipping yet);

I think this reason speaks the most to why I started collecting chips. For me, the chip is the miniature. Or, perhaps more specifically the object/experience I'm trying to "collect" (perhaps "recreate" is a better word) is the casino.

My love for authentic casino chips predates my interest in poker, it goes back to the first time I played blackjack at the Taj. What I love about real casino chips (and poker tables, and card setups, etc.) is that it helps to recreate that experience in a home setting.
 
I think this reason speaks the most to why I started collecting chips. For me, the chip is the miniature. Or, perhaps more specifically the object/experience I'm trying to "collect" (perhaps "recreate" is a better word) is the casino.

My love for authentic casino chips predates my interest in poker, it goes back to the first time I played blackjack at the Taj. What I love about real casino chips (and poker tables, and card setups, etc.) is that it helps to recreate that experience in a home setting.
Mine's the same. My core group of friends I only see all of on trips at this point as it is the only time all of us can 'get away from life' and also we are dispersed throughout the world now. The trip that garners the most attention every year is a trip to Las Vegas so that's turned into replicating that feeling with poker chips.
 
No. Every other collector's market I've ever seen respects the market values of each other's collectibles. Some may disagree slightly on high market vs low market, but this idea of trying to control the market with flipper-shaming pitchforks appears to be unique to the chipping hobby.
My uneducated speculation here is that the poker chip fanbase is minuscule, whereas all the other collectible markets (at least, the ones that we all know about) are staggeringly huge by comparison, and thus a) have tremendously more mature infrastructures and practices and b) the bitching and moaning that goes on those communities is drowned out by the volume of normal people doing normal transactions rather than participating in the politics.
 
My uneducated speculation here is that the poker chip fanbase is minuscule, whereas all the other collectible markets (at least, the ones that we all know about) are staggeringly huge by comparison, and thus a) have tremendously more mature infrastructures and practices and b) the bitching and moaning that goes on those communities is drowned out by the volume of normal people doing normal transactions rather than participating in the politics.
There may also be a function of the manufacturers for most of the collectibles markets are oriented at the collectors. In the chipping community the overwhelming vast majority of the products being collected are not and were not bought by collectors.

The chipping community may be closer to something like collectible vintage lunch boxes where they weren't bought by collectors when made but now are sought after even though most folks who use a lunch box today can go to Target and just buy one.
 
My uneducated speculation here is that the poker chip fanbase is minuscule, whereas all the other collectible markets (at least, the ones that we all know about) are staggeringly huge by comparison, and thus a) have tremendously more mature infrastructures and practices and b) the bitching and moaning that goes on those communities is drowned out by the volume of normal people doing normal transactions rather than participating in the politics.
not smaller than this collectible market... ;)


guessing the only thing these guys bitch about is not adding enough soap

and this guy.. well, he doesn't mess around (@Windwalker looks like he knows a warehouse builder if you need one :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:)
 
No. Every other collector's market I've ever seen respects the market values of each other's collectibles. Some may disagree slightly on high market vs low market, but this idea of trying to control the market with flipper-shaming pitchforks appears to be unique to the chipping hobby. Vintage toys, Star Wars collectibles, baseball cards, comic books, Legos, antique gas station signs, guns, knives, WW2 memorabilia, you name it. Every other collectibles hobby is sky-rocketing up in value right now, and all of those markets respect the market values of each other's collections. Nobody gives two fucks what anyone paid. They only care what it's worth now. Why half of this community is hell-bent on trying to control the market here is beyond me.
** warning Ben book! But I think this one is worth a read, not meant to start a debate, if you don't like it send me a PM

I don't understand why you say this this concept is beyond you Travis? You were here in the begining, you got in on the ground level or close to it. You have had the opportunity to own chips for resonable prices, even exchange or buy other sets and decide what you want.

With this new market and people who didn't get in on the ground level that option really is no longer there. So yes the guys that own tons of chips are sitting back laughing and enjoying all of this (literally laughing as they watch their profit margins skyr-ocket!!) But what is being lost here is that opportunity and sense of community that his hobby once had, even in my less than 2 years in the hobby there have been drastic changes!

Brie was able to build a complete set of playable secondary PCAs... it just took money and they was still an established "going rate" for those chips. Try to do that now and it's not going to happen.

Several conversations including "I am no longer selling any leaded THCs no matter what" have occurred. Look at all the intrest in those card mold ceramic chips. These people are settling for chips that many here would never even consider.

I understand times change but some here I feel don't have that top tier disposable income and have to build their sets over time. How often do complete sets sit unsold for extended periods of time before splitting occurs and within a few days they are spoken for? I understand "If you want it then you have to make sacrifices..." but that is not how this hobby was established from my understanding.

Just today their is an auction for HSI $5 chips. Didn't you just buy those? Want to flip them and make a profit ok but do you really need to try and get the absolute max profit off a rack just because your internet connection was faster than the next guy and you beat them to the punch? Let me get a bidding war for the people that really need these chips and see what we can drive the market to instead of "hey I can make a little profit and help a fellow chipper in need!" This seller is a friend and has helped me out multiple times, but it is a fine example of how this hobby is evolving and not really in a good way in my opinion... whatever that is worth.

Those that made their wise investments in buying chips early on enjoyed them for years. People wonder how can Travis, David even Slisk sell these rare sets?? They had their time with them, their taste have changed towards customs and they have come to terms with accepting a large pay day for their years of investment. I don't blame any of you one little bit!! But it is removing the top tier for hopefull future chippers that have to build their way up to those levels.

Nothing we can do about it, we just go round and round but saying this is "beyond your comprehension" just seems odd unless you are only looking at this from a cashing out and moving on stand point and without regard for the next generation. I have really enjoyed your recent post basically explaining why you did it and that you are not just taking the money, you are reinvesting it into epic customs. Not that I felt you owed anyone those explanations but it was nice to hear.

Rather the Verteran chippers like it or not noobs like myself look up to you guys are try to follow examples and learn to navigate our on ways into this hobby. The spot light is always on you guys rather you want it or not. Newer members are watching everything and many times making their own actions and additudes off what they see. You are an educated man and I respect you! But is it really a mystery why some are trying to hang on to the way things used to be?

Just the thoughts of your back woods redneck buddy Ben, I would have sent this by PM but I thought maybe a couple people could find value in it shared as a post.

My friends Krish and Travis if either of you have a problem with this post or do not want this in your thread simply ask and I will happily remove it and insert a gif of a cute dog or something useful. I respect our friendships and did not intend to post this in anyway as a use of a pitchfork.

Fellow Chipper Ben
 
Can someone please explain to me what this is in detail?!?

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not smaller than this collectible market... ;)


guessing the only thing these guys bitch about is not adding enough soap

and this guy.. well, he doesn't mess around (@Windwalker looks like he knows a warehouse builder if you need one :ROFL: :ROFLMAO:)
There are these guys too. Makes us chip collectors look normal. :rolleyes:

 
I will say that the cutthroat My Little Pony community I'm a part of makes PCF look like a fellowship of love and understanding.
Oh yes. God save you if you are designated as “an accuser of the bretherin” in that community
 
So yes the guys that own tons of chips are sitting back laughing and enjoying all of this (literally laughing as they watch their profit margins skyr-ocket!!)

No Ben, they are not... Old school chippers are hoarders by definition. They are not looking to sell and if they do, it's to buy even more.
There is a reason why we own plenty of chips... Most don't sell any or very few to fund other chips.
Very few looking to cash out in any way because they would never be able to get hardly any back. And those that wanted, did it long time ago.

Just today their is an auction for HSI $5 chips. Didn't you just buy those? Want to flip them and make a profit ok but do you really need to try and get the absolute max profit off a rack just because your internet connection was faster than the next guy and you beat them to the punch? Let me get a bidding war for the people that really need these chips and see what we can drive the market to instead of "hey I can make a little profit and help a fellow chipper in need!" This seller is a friend and has helped me out multiple times, but it is a fine example of how this hobby is evolving and not really in a good way in my opinion... whatever that is worth.

Hammer bought a full set from Jim after an auction for fivers went beyond a reasonable price.
He sold me all the chips I needed at cost...and just selling what is left via auction. I see no harm here.
 
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Can you please stop the derail! It's bad enough I spend most of my disposable income on poker chips and ancillaries like tables, cards and hot dog rollers but now I'm looking at washing machines and toasters. My wallet can't handle this abuse!
At least one leak you wifey won't mind... :D

And how is that hooker juice treating you ;)
 
I was just trying to upgrade the audio for my TV to more than just a sound bar, that community is absolutely insane. At one point someone said to me, 'I wouldn't wipe my ass with those speakers.'
Yeah it’s brutal, I used to dabble in the audiophile world and it’s a mixed bag, half of the bag being filled with bull s%#t
 
I was just trying to upgrade the audio for my TV to more than just a sound bar, that community is absolutely insane. At one point someone said to me, 'I wouldn't wipe my ass with those speakers.'

Wait until they start about silver directional cables made by dwarfs during full moon...at $700 a meter.
My dad is a weirdo like that...30K in his system.

I always tilt him saying it sounds ok
 

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