Chips break down for 10-20ct up to 25-50ct (2 Viewers)

[Lunettesman]

Hi guys,

Hope everyone is fine. I know I know...one more thread about poker chips break down. So here's my addition to the long discussed subject.

Well, i would like to purchase a custom 43mm ceramic set of 600pces for my usual 8 max 10-20ct game with a buy in of minimum 20usd. I would like that set to fit a futur and possible hike of the blinds to 25-50ct with a minimum buy in of 50usd.

I thought about it in every possible way my brain can think of but still havent found an answer.

1) 10ct-50ct-2usd-10usd seems a a good break down. However I don't like the 50ct and the 2usd. More over a 25-50ct game would become a 20-50ct game. Weird...

2) I thought about 25ct-1usd-5usd-25usd and make a 25-25ct game. But then it goes from now 30ct in the pot preflop to a 50ct pot. Also knowing people like to buy for 20usd, it would now require a 25usd buy in. Also I m not a fan of a SB and BB that are the same, reason being when the SB calls the BB, if the BB is sleeping he notices it's his turn to play. Last but not least why play a 25-25ct game when I have other sets that suits a 10-20ct game.

3) 5ct-25ct-1usd-5usd-25usd brings too many denomination on the table and the 5ct would be a total waste.

4) make a NCV set and decide while playing. But damn, numbers exist for something.

What's your opinions?

Thanks for the help.

 

[FestiveKnight]

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ut-a-cash-game-chip-set-5c-10c-to-5-10.30897/

 

[Lunettesman]

https://www.pokerchipforum.com/thre...ut-a-cash-game-chip-set-5c-10c-to-5-10.30897/

Thanks. I have probably read it 5 times and... Still can't find the better compromise. I should have mentioned I read all I could find on the topic on the site. Maybe I missed something.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

10/20 plays the same as .25/.25, just bump it up and skip the weird denoms.

600 pieces
180 .25
200 $1s
200 $5s
20 $20s

If you're absolutely sold on 10/20, make it

100 nickels
180 quarters
200 $1s
100 $5s
20 $20s

More than enough bank for any $50 buyin game that you might grow into. Your players wont care or notice the difference between .10/.20 and .25/25.

It sounds like you know the right answer and have read it many times, what can people say to convince you?

 

[Lunettesman]

It sounds like you know the right answer and have read it many times, what can people say to convince you?

You re right on that one. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed a brilliant idea.

 

[LeLe]

Use a Non-denomination (ND) chip that will be either 10c or 25c depending on your stake.

But you will require 200 of them when playing 10/20c and only used 100 of them when playing 25/50c

Also 25/50 need a much bigger bank compare to 10/20c

ND - 200
$1 - 200
$5 - 200
$25 - 80
$100 - 20

 

[Lunettesman]

Thanks. Appreciate the idea.

Use a Non-denomination (ND) chip that will be either 10c or 25c depending on your stake.

But you will require 200 of them when playing 10/20c and only used 100 of them when playing 25/50c

Also 25/50 need a much bigger bank compare to 10/20c

ND - 200
$1 - 200
$5 - 200
$25 - 80
$100 - 20

 

[SeanGecko]

My best friend’s set

• SeanGecko
• Apr 28, 2019

Red $5

This many. You absolutely need this many.

 

[Darson]

How does your current 10c/20c game play? What’s the usual first raise? If the players usually go 40c or 60c for the first raise then maybe the 10c chip is the way to go. If the first raise is $1 then I would stick with the 25c chip and just play 25/25 blinds.

The non denom idea for the frac is also a good way to be optimal but personally I hate chips without denoms.

 

[Santa123]

If you are certain that you will never play 10c/10c and I would buy a custom cash set I would go with 10c/25c/$1/$5. As a host you tell the players that the 10c Chip can only be used for placing the Small Blind but not for regular betting. This will prevent any complications in making change. I played with these denominations a lot a long time ago with zero problems.

Breakdown could be something like:

50x 10c (you realy don't need more than 5 per player)
200x 25c
300x $1
200x $5
???x $25

I know you are aiming for 600 chips but better go big in the beginning than adding later. And you will add

 

[Lunettesman]

How does your current 10c/20c game play? What’s the usual first raise? If the players usually go 40c or 60c for the first raise then maybe the 10c chip is the way to go. If the first raise is $1 then I would stick with the 25c chip and just play 25/25 blinds.

The non denom idea for the frac is also a good way to be optimal but personally I hate chips without denoms.

Not a fan of ND chips as well..the preflop raise is usually around 60ct. Rarely more. Unless there have been limpers ahead.

Thing is, we used to play 5-10ct. But nobody respects 35ct raise. So I moved the game to 10-20cts blind with a 20usd buy in. And now all of sudden it plays way more "correctly" but half of them only bring one bullet. So I m a bit confused. 10usd buy in gets you nowhere and 20usd seems too high.

 

[Lunettesman]

If you are certain that you will never play 10c/10c and I would buy a custom cash set I would go with 10c/25c/$1/$5. As a host you tell the players that the 10c Chip can only be used for placing the Small Blind but not for regular betting. This will prevent any complications in making change. I played with these denominations a lot a long time ago with zero problems.

Breakdown could be something like:

50x 10c (you realy don't need more than 5 per player)
200x 25c
300x $1
200x $5
???x $25

I know you are aiming for 600 chips but better go big in the beginning than adding later. And you will add

Very interesting idea. Must say brilliant. I didn't think about a single denom only for the small blind. Very interesting.

 

[SeanGecko]

Very interesting idea. Must say brilliant. I didn't think about a single denom only for the small blind. Very interesting.

If you plan on playing mixed games or games where you split the pot I would suggest against the dime.

We are currently playing 25¢/25¢/50¢ with NLHE but before when we did 5¢/10¢ or 5¢ ante and blinds of 10¢/25¢ it was easier to bet a barrel of Nickels at some one. It also made it much easier to spilt pots when we did Omaha hi-lo, Low Chicago. etc

Nickels can be good to have lower stakes when introducing new games.

 

[exodus]

Thing is, we used to play 5-10ct. But nobody respects 35ct raise. So I moved the game to 10-20cts blind with a 20usd buy in. And now all of sudden it plays way more "correctly" but half of them only bring one bullet. So I m a bit confused. 10usd buy in gets you nowhere and 20usd seems too high.

Stakes dictate the action somewhat, but buyins are more important to figure out how smoothly your game is playing. If the buy in is $10, do they usually rebuy versus when the buy in is $20? Also, the game will eventually get bigger as your group has more disposable income.

 

[Lunettesman]

Stakes dictate the action somewhat, but buyins are more important to figure out how smoothly your game is playing. If the buy in is $10, do they usually rebuy versus when the buy in is $20? Also, the game will eventually get bigger as your group has more disposable income.

Yes. When we play NL10 there are rebuys. When we play NL20 way less. So I'm in a situation where NL10 is played like a NL20 if you look at the bets, but played as a NL10 if you look at how many rebuys there is.

 

[BGinGA]

100 x 5c
200 x 25c
200 x $1
100 x $5
and let $20 cash bills play.

Supports single-table 5c/10c, 10c/20c, 10c/25c, 25c/25c, 25c/50c, 50c/50c, and 50c/$1 cash games with just 600 chips.

If/when you permanently move up to 50c/50c and larger stakes, add a rack of $20 chips (or plaques) and let $100 cash bills play (and sell the nickels).

And if you go with a no-denom chip to use as the 5c chip, it can later be used as the $20 chip. No extra expense or sale.

 

[allforcharity]

Use a Non-denomination (ND) chip that will be either 10c or 25c depending on your stake.

Nope, this will not work. Will still need 2 different chips for fracs when playing lowest stakes.

 

[Lunettesman]

Nope, this will not work. Will still need 2 different chips for fracs when playing lowest stakes.

thank you for your inside. It's what I was thinking afterwards. Playing 10-20ct with only 10ct and 1usd seems a bit hard.

 

[LeLe]

Nope, this will not work. Will still need 2 different chips for fracs when playing lowest stakes.

I disagree, 10c & $1 is not that different from 5c 25c & $1 for NL 20

 

[SeanGecko]

thank you for your inside. It's what I was thinking afterwards. Playing 10-20ct with only 10ct and 1usd seems a bit hard.

10 100 1000 is what I've seen on some streams from Macao.

You can tell what I prefer

 

[LeLe]

10 100 1000 is what I've seen on some streams from Macao.

For stake 10/20 to 10/20/40, $10 $100 $1k is the most common among every live stream / casino poker not just Macao.

For stake 25/50 to 50/100/200, $25 $100 $1k is the most common among every live stream /casino poker not just Macao as well

 

[exodus]

Yes. When we play NL10 there are rebuys. When we play NL20 way less. So I'm in a situation where NL10 is played like a NL20 if you look at the bets, but played as a NL10 if you look at how many rebuys there is.

I had something similar for my game happening. Our game definitely plays like a $2/$5 but we keep the stakes at $1/$2. I’d keep the stakes at 10c/20c but allow for people to buy in deep if they want. The only problem with this is that now you have to have a rack of 10c chips and a rack of 25c chips instead of just one type of fracs. Ideally you could do 25c/25c blinds which should play similar to 10c/20c and you would only need a rack of quarters to make it work.

 

[Lunettesman]

I had something similar for my game happening. Our game definitely plays like a $2/$5 but we keep the stakes at $1/$2. I’d keep the stakes at 10c/20c but allow for people to buy in deep if they want. The only problem with this is that now you have to have a rack of 10c chips and a rack of 25c chips instead of just one type of fracs. Ideally you could do 25c/25c blinds which should play similar to 10c/20c and you would only need a rack of quarters to make it work.

Thanks for the opinion. My problem really is it plays like a 10-20ct game but people use NL10 buy in rebuys. In short, if we play NL10 they will have 2-3 rebuys of 10usd, and if we play NL20 they will only have the initial buy in of 20usd.

 

[LeLe]

My problem really is it plays like a 10-20ct game but people use NL10 buy in rebuys. In short, if we play NL10 they will have 2-3 rebuys of 10usd, and if we play NL20 they will only have the initial buy in of 20usd.

Your group seem more suitable or prefer / roll for NL10 so unless you going to change a different group of players in the near future, there's no need for any NL50 preparation.

Change the stake to NL10 and let your group be more comfortable playing and more fun playing too.

Get the following breakdown.

100 x 5c
200 x 25c
200 x $1
80 x $5 & 20 x $20/25

Your group can move up to the stake once most if not all is comfortable with 3 buyins of the raised stake

 

[Nine_high]

Hi guys,

Hope everyone is fine. I know I know...one more thread about poker chips break down. So here's my addition to the long discussed subject.

Well, i would like to purchase a custom 43mm ceramic set of 600pces for my usual 8 max 10-20ct game with a buy in of minimum 20usd. I would like that set to fit a futur and possible hike of the blinds to 25-50ct with a minimum buy in of 50usd.

I thought about it in every possible way my brain can think of but still havent found an answer.

1) 10ct-50ct-2usd-10usd seems a a good break down. However I don't like the 50ct and the 2usd. More over a 25-50ct game would become a 20-50ct game. Weird...

2) I thought about 25ct-1usd-5usd-25usd and make a 25-25ct game. But then it goes from now 30ct in the pot preflop to a 50ct pot. Also knowing people like to buy for 20usd, it would now require a 25usd buy in. Also I m not a fan of a SB and BB that are the same, reason being when the SB calls the BB, if the BB is sleeping he notices it's his turn to play. Last but not least why play a 25-25ct game when I have other sets that suits a 10-20ct game.

3) 5ct-25ct-1usd-5usd-25usd brings too many denomination on the table and the 5ct would be a total waste.

4) make a NCV set and decide while playing. But damn, numbers exist for something.

What's your opinions?

Thanks for the help.

1) dislike. I would not skip $1 or $5. Too unnatural.

2) this is a good option. It's true your small game might feel a little bigger but I don't think it's that big a difference. Equal blinds don't bother me though.

3) close second in my opinion. Can still do .10/.20, and you'll never need the $25; and you obviously don't need the nickel when playing .25/.50 so always four denoms max in play. a little tougher to fit into 600 pc but doable. Rack of nickels, 140 quarters, 160 $1, 160 $5, 40 $25s.

4)

If it were me I would get dimes/fiddies/ones/fives/twenty-fives. I've become a huge fan of the $.50 chip. .10/.20 is a peice of cake, and for your bigger game you can do .20/.50. You mentioned this is weird but I don't see how it's any weirder than 2/5. Or just do .50/.50. Added benefit is you don't need many fiddies at all so it's easier to fit both stakes into 600 pc set comfortably. You could do a split rack 60/40 of $.50/$25, a rack of dimes, and two racks each of $1/$5. Done.

Edit: updated breakdown for option 3 to be 600 pc instead of 700 pc

 

[Dbxela]

100 x 5c
200 x 25c
200 x $1
100 x $5
and let $20 cash bills play.

Supports single-table 5c/10c, 10c/20c, 10c/25c, 25c/25c, 25c/50c, 50c/50c, and 50c/$1 cash games with just 600 chips.

If/when you permanently move up to 50c/50c and larger stakes, add a rack of $20 chips (or plaques) and let $100 cash bills play (and sell the nickels).

And if you go with a no-denom chip to use as the 5c chip, it can later be used as the $20 chip. No extra expense or sale.

I do this for a 25/25 game (own the 5c but never used them). Works well.

I saw a stream use just 100s and a lot of 10s, and I wondered about getting 200x 10c as an experiment and only using 10c and 1+

It'd let us try 10/20 with a 20 ante, and I wonder if recs might do better with 10x maths than quarters?

Thinking a about it, may be a UK biased question since we use 10p cash (and 20/50) and don't have quarters.

Anyone tried it?

 

[Lunettesman]

1) dislike. I would not skip $1 or $5. Too unnatural.

2) this is a good option. It's true your small game might feel a little bigger but I don't think it's that big a difference. Equal blinds don't bother me though.

3) close second in my opinion. Can still do .10/.20, and you'll never need the $25; and you obviously don't need the nickel when playing .25/.50 so always four denoms max in play. a little tougher to fit into 600 pc but doable. Rack of nickels, 140 quarters, 160 $1, 160 $5, 40 $25s.

4)

If it were me I would get dimes/fiddies/ones/fives/twenty-fives. I've become a huge fan of the $.50 chip. .10/.20 is a peice of cake, and for your bigger game you can do .20/.50. You mentioned this is weird but I don't see how it's any weirder than 2/5. Or just do .50/.50. Added benefit is you don't need many fiddies at all so it's easier to fit both stakes into 600 pc set comfortably. You could do a split rack 60/40 of $.50/$25, a rack of dimes, and two racks each of $1/$5. Done.

Edit: updated breakdown for option 3 to be 600 pc instead of 700 pc

The more I read it, the more I like the idea of 20-50ct for the bigger game.

Unfortunately I haven't fully understood how you breakdown it with number of chips.

 

[Nine_high]

The more I read it, the more I like the idea of 20-50ct for the bigger game.

Unfortunately I haven't fully understood how you breakdown it with number of chips.

I think you can just give everyone 10 dimes, 6 fiddies, 16 ones, and 6+x fives to make their $50+ buyin. They don't need many fiddies since the one is right there and a long with the five will do most of the work to form pretty much any bet besides posting the big or limping, and they only use two dimes at a time for the small, which if they are calling they will probably pull back and call with a fiddy or some ones anyway.

Or do what I do, since people trickle in anyway..once we have enough to start dealing I just shovel all the small chips out and later arrivals get all fives along with whatever little stuff I might have left. We play .50/.50 (100 max) and so I might give the first six players ten fiddies, 20-40 ones, and enough fives to make their buyin. The seventh player gets the rest of the ones and it's all fives from there. My normal one table set up has 60/200/240/80/20 of .50/1/5/20/100.