Tourney What do you feel are some must have rules? (3 Viewers)

I was talking about a scenario where the big blind was $1000, as noted. If you have some other scenarios, you’ll have to spell them out, evidently with chip counts as well for each position, so we know who has hundreds or not, because that seems to matter.
Blinds 100/200. You are in BB with one 1k chip out for your blind. You are facing a raise to 1100. You throw out one 1k chip. What is your ruling?
 
Blinds 100/200. You are in BB with one 1k chip out for your blind. You are facing a raise to 1100. You throw out one 1k chip. What is your ruling?
I would say “raise” or “call” before I put any chip(s) in and that would be my ruling.
 
The first time I had one of my T100,000 plaques hit the table, I had a player play a single over sized chip (the plaque) without a word. He held it about 3' over the table, and made a whistling bomb and explosion sound as he dropped it.

We let the raise to T100,000 stand, because although he didn't announce raise, it was clear to everyone that he was raising.
I'd say imitating a bomb and explosion is just as good as saying "raise" lol

Though it would be hilarious to see someone do this in a casino just for the dealer to nonchalantly say "call" (verbalizing that players action) and move on lol
 
The 1k chip stays out there, he isn't removing anything. He adds one 1k chip.
That’s not the scenario I was referring to. If he takes his one chip back and adds two $5000 chips without saying a word you think he is just calling? In your world the big blind can’t raise unless he verbalizes it, no matter what.
 
That’s not the scenario I was referring to. If he takes his one chip back and adds two $5000 chips without saying a word you think he is just calling? In your world the big blind can’t raise unless he verbalizes it, no matter what.
What are you on about? Where did I say bb has to verbalize?? Post 82 I said two 5k would be raise to 10,000. TDA rule 45, multiple chip betting.

I'm asking you what would be your ruling if a player in the bb at 100/200 has one 1k chip for blind and is facing 1100 raise and places one 1k chip.
 
What are you on about? Where did I say bb has to verbalize?? Post 82 I said two 5k would be raise to 10,000. TDA rule 45, multiple chip betting.

I'm asking you what would be your ruling if a player in the bb at 100/200 has one 1k chip for blind and is facing 1100 raise and places one 1k chip.
What is your ruling if the big blind removes his one $1000 chip and replaces it with two $5000 chips? That’s the only scenario I have addressed or mentioned. It looks like you agree with me, even though you say this

No verbalization is just a call. Oversize chip/multiple chips is always just a call.
 
What is your ruling if the big blind removes his one $1000 chip and replaces it with two $5000 chips? That’s the only scenario I have addressed or mentioned. It looks like you agree with me, even though you say this
I was referring to the multiple chip rule 45 when all chips were required for the call and if not then it's a raise.
 
I'm asking you what would be your ruling if a player in the bb at 100/200 has one 1k chip for blind and is facing 1100 raise and places one 1k chip.
 
Good call. Hey bickerers, let's start another thread: propose the situation, and offer options in a poll. Most of us are hosts/dealers/TDirectors at some time. Rather than muck this thread up, make another place then go nuts. We all vote on how we'd handle the situation, then we can disregard the votes and say we're right anyways.

What is your ruling if the big blind removes his one $1000 chip and replaces it with two $5000 chips? That’s the only scenario I have addressed or mentioned. It looks like you agree with me, even though you say this

I was referring to the multiple chip rule 45 when all chips were required for the call and if not then it's a raise.
Good call. Hey bickerers, let's start another thread: propose the situation, and offer options in a poll. Most of us are hosts/dealers/TDirectors at some time. Rather than muck this thread up, make another place then go nuts. We all vote on how we'd handle the situation, then we can disregard the votes and say we're right anyways.
Good call. Hey bickerers, let's start another thread: propose the situation, and offer options in a poll. Most of us are hosts/dealers/TDirectors at some time. Rather than muck this thread up, make another place then go nuts. We all vote on how we'd handle the situation, then we can disregard the votes and say we're right anyways.
 
I was referring to the multiple chip rule 45 when all chips were required for the call and if not then it's a raise.
Two $5000 chips more than covers the call. What if he only had one $1000 chip and 20 $5000. You say it’s a call because he couldn’t make change?
 
Two $5000 chips more than covers the call. What if he only had one $1000 chip and 20 $5000. You say it’s a call because he couldn’t make change?
Two 5k chips is a raise, two 1k chips is a call. And you say both scenarios are raises?
 
Two 5k chips is a raise, two 1k chips is a call. And you say both scenarios are raises?
I never said that anywhere, no matter how much you want to put words in my posts just to argue about. I said if the BB pulls his chip back and puts two larger chips in then it is a raise.

In your world, how can the BB ever raise without saying anything? Could it possibly be the above scenario?

For reference -again- please read it this time, here is my post

The small blind hasn’t put in enough to make any bet. When he takes his less-than-full-bet chip back and puts one larger chip out without saying anything he is just calling. If he put two larger chips in he would be raising. In this case the small blind has only put one chip in - the larger one.

The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.
 
What is going on. "The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising"

So, two 1k chips is a raise and two 5k chips is a raise is what you are saying.
 
What is going on. "The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising"

So, two 1k chips is a raise and two 5k chips is a raise is what you are saying.
I’m sorry, in bizzaro world is $1000 greater than $1000, or is it equal?

I haven’t lost sight of the fact that we are playing Confusion.
 
I’m sorry, in bizzaro world is $1000 greater than $1000, or is it equal?

I haven’t lost sight of the fact that we are playing Confusion.
When facing a raise to 1100, you are saying two 1k chips is a raise. It clearly isn't.
 
I love this question. Announce too few rules, you might miss a big one - especially if there are inexperienced folks. Announce too many - you lose people quickly and drag down the energy.

I've found the sweet spot is about five rules announced.
I like this. I have a 30 second verbal spiel to new players to quickly go over the main rules. No one is expected to read the rulebook. They just learn as they go.
 
The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.

The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.

The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.


I’m sorry if you don’t want to understand this.
 
The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.

The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.

The Big blind has a full bet out there. If he removes it and replaced it with two larger chips he is raising.


I’m sorry if you don’t want to understand this.
Two 1k chips would be two larger chips. This is not a raise. TDA Rule 45
 
Blinds 100/200. You are in BB with one 1k chip out for your blind. You are facing a raise to 1100. You throw out one 1k chip. What is your ruling?
Call.

What is your ruling if the big blind removes his one $1000 chip and replaces it with two $5000 chips?
Raise.

Scenario #3:
BB has 1000 posted for his 200 blind and is facing a raise to 1100. BB pulls back his 1000 and tosses in two 1000 chips (or tosses in four 500 chips, or tosses in twenty 100 chips). It's a (legal) raise to 2000, regardless of what fucked-up rule is listed in TDA. Same would apply if he had posted 200, or a single 500 chip.

As a TD, I'm not going to hold players accountable for constructing their multiple-chip bets/raises so that a certain percentage of chips (but the same total) is sometimes a call and sometimes a raise. If the action clearly denotes or implies a raise, then that's the ruling. Basis? In the best interest of the game.
 
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I'll beat this horse once more, but, my original post mentioned the shady area of adding and pulling chips without verbalizing... and, I believe i mentioned that was for another thread. Now that @Defarse has totally crapped this thread I'll go ahead and make the point he missed. In a home game, which the OP was clearly talking about when asking about which rules he should emphasize, as a host he has an opportunity to set rules that work best for HIS/HER game. There are some establishments where, in the original scenario, when the two 1k chips go over the line then the bet just became 2200, those two 1k chips and the BB that was already in. There were a couple of ways that this could be ruled, but, the subtle point i was trying to make was lost on you due to your desire to argue your knowledge of rules.

There are shady gray areas of putting chips out and then pulling some back, and believe it or not, there are players that use moves like this as an angle. This is something that a new host needs to be aware of. It's controversial and can cause problems. There's a fine line between putting chips out and pulling some back in a "legal" move versus "illegal." If you've played enough then you know what I'm talking about. As @ekricket mentioned when douchebags do this then we know what kind of person we're dealing with. When it's truly accidental those same "is this a douchebag" alarms go off in my head. Much of this can be averted by the host setting the rules for the kind of play he wants to see in his game.
 
Valuable player, invite them. Sometimes players need educating and initially take offense. But spin it so they understand the rule exists to protect them from dodgy newcomers and they'll get over being corrected.
This.

Reminds me of a (new to the game) player many years ago who, when it was their shuffle, would sometimes look at the winning hand if it was mucked as she gathered up the cards. I didn't see it the first few times it happened, as she were at another table. When I saw it at my table, I just chatted with her during the break and explained that wasn't really in good form, and how it could impact her if someone was to do it with her cards and then take advantage of it. She was mortified, had no idea, etc. etc., and it never happened again.
 

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