Do you fold here? (Disclaimer villain hand not disclosed) (1 Viewer)

[TAG_Cowboys]

Others at my table are saying i was crazy to fold this hand.


Context:
0.5 / $1 cash game, 7 handed
Hero is 110-ish BB
Villain 150-ish BB ( on his 3rd re-buy)

Villain:
Aggressive player with wider opening range
Likes to buy the flop (although only opens weak suited hands and up)
*I had lost a previous all in hand to him where he also took up a weird line of betting*

• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way
  • We go all in on turn
  • lost 2nd buy in
  • Villain had also led out with donk bet --> I reraised --> Villain called --> Villain jammed on turn

Hero hand
Position: CO


Preflop:

1. Villain (HJ) opens to 3.5BB
2. Hero (CO) re-raises to 12BB
3. SB calls
4. UTG + 1 calls

Flop:

1. SB & UTG +1 checks
2. Villain donk bets, lead out with 42BB (nearly pot size)

Hero decision?

Spoiler: Hero decision and justification

Hero decides to fold. Villain takes down pot.

1. I think it was a weird line of betting that rarely happened during the 2hr+ game.
2. Villain donk bets OOP to a preflop 3bet, into a multiway pot.
   • C-bets are usually max 50% pot for inflated pots.
3. Villain possibly puts hero on an overpair, and hopes that SB/BB are drawing to a flush and trying to charge for it (SB and UTG both like to pay for draws)

Point 2 jus screams strength to me.
Betting pot size into a 3bet, OOP, with 3 other players who are each 12BB in preflop

I would put him on , dont think a set would play this way, most likely would be drawing value instead. Trying to charge / chase out the flush draws
Possibly he felt valued in with his after the other 2 flat called.

Afterwards, I told the table what my hand was and one of the players told me I was crazy to have done that.
Thoughts?
12BB reraise for KK too small?



** side rant, I was also lil tilted, having ran bad before this hand:

• Hero , villains
  • heads up
  • All in on flop dry flop
  • (lost first buy in)
• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way
  • We go all in on turn
  • lost 2nd buy in
• Hero , board , villains
  • HEADS UP
  • Folded on turn
  • lost 50% of 3rd buy in
• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way
  • Folded on turn
• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way
  • all in on turn
  • River is of cos,
• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way (all in)
• Hero
  • 3 bet raised
  • Tight player 4 bets 3x (he doesnt even do this with AKs)
  • I fold

Did not hit any other 5 card combos the whole night except for 1 full house and 1 flush (lost both, Yes),
Hands I do sit out, they flop Full house with kind of combos
Player seated before me was dealt at least 8 hands of QQ+ (YES FREAKING UNBELIEVABLE)
Multiple times I folded small to medium pockets, OOP preflop (due to tilt, taking a break) villains are showing JJ+

All in a span of a 5hr game.
4 buy-ins deep at one point, managed to claw my way back to 1.5 buy-ins loss (with almost no made hands, believe it!)


Who said poker was fun and merry?!
Traumatising session to say the least.

Rant over, time to clear the negative energy.
Back to strong, positive thoughts

 

[Easylife]

I'm putting him on 10s, A9/10 9 (think these two are less likely but not ruling it out) or an open ended with flush draw , lean more towards 10s from early action and your description of player. I play more tourney than cash though so I am probably way off but I'm reshoving here, if your behind at this point your still live. And this is why I don't play cash much. Interested to see cash player comments on this one.

 

[MichaelBubly]

3! Sizing is probably fine. I'm just shoving the flop probably. I'm not folding to a loose Agro player there. If I get stacked so be it.

 

[Eriks]

Way too tight fold. I’d give him TT-QQ and draws as well as the 2-pair+ hands. With your stack, ship it in there and hope that the SB and UTG+1 players weren’t checking to c/r.

I could see going a tad larger pre. UTG+1 must’ve limped so the $3.5 ”open” is on the small side

 

[TAG_Cowboys]

Way too tight fold. I’d give him TT-QQ and draws as well as the 2-pair+ hands. With your stack, ship it in there and hope that the SB and UTG+1 players weren’t checking to c/r.

I could see going a tad larger pre. UTG+1 must’ve limped so the $3.5 ”open” is on the small side

For me the bet size was the main consideration.

I shud have mentioned that at my game, C-bets are usually max 50% pot for inflated pots.
For him to take a different line of betting into multiway pot, that just screamed strength and he was alr setting himself up for the jam on the turn for max value

 

[Eriks]

I see those kind of bets with good yet vulnerable hands all the time i.e. TT-QQ here. It’s a mistake to narrow his range down to one specific hand.

 

[OfficerLovejoy]

I don't like that fold at all. As @Eriks said, you're still ahead of a lot of value he might play this way. Add some draws to his range and you simply cannot fold here.
If you plan to fold to a big lead why even 3! preflop?

Plus you're only 110bb effective. It's not like you need to strap in with 400bb to call down turn and river for a monster pot with just one pair. Just ship the flop and what happens, happens. You're ahead A LOT here.

 

[TAG_Cowboys]

I don't like that fold at all. As @Eriks said, you're still ahead of a lot of value he might play this way. Add some draws to his range and you simply cannot fold here.
If you plan to fold to a big lead why even 3! preflop?

Plus you're only 110bb effective. It's not like you need to strap in with 400bb to call down turn and river for a monster pot with just one pair. Just ship the flop and what happens, happens. You're ahead A LOT here.

I see those kind of bets with good yet vulnerable hands all the time i.e. TT-QQ here. It’s a mistake to narrow his range down to one specific hand.

Is the donk bet OOP sth that yall will put alot of weight on for consideration?

Im still on the fence about him leading with a donk bet pot size into 4 people being OOP.
He shud be fairly certain that he is ahead of most hands, since it is unlikely he will be leading out so big with jus top pair, while being sure that 3 of us will all be folding / not holding a strong hand that will not call him down.

 

[Eriks]

It’s not the greatest spot in the world with the other players left to act but you simply cannot pass this up. You’re on the flop with an SPR of 2 and at the top of your range vs ”an aggressive player who likes to buy the flop”.

You will get ran over if you keep making folds like that.

 

[Legend5555]

Just jam and hope your good. Can't go folding overpairs against splashy villains on flops like these. If we assume he will do this with all the sets, overpairs up to JJ, all flush draws and an straight draws, and assuming he's even playing stuff like any suited K, but only the decent QXs and Jxs, and all connectors... Then you have 68% equity. Even if we tighten it up in terms of eliminate bad KsXs, but now give him a decent amount of 9x, you still have 68% equity.

You just cannot fold here.

 

[Taghkanic]

Others at my table are saying i was crazy to fold this hand.


Context:
0.5 / $1 cash game, 7 handed
Hero is 110-ish BB
Villain 150-ish BB ( on his 3rd re-buy)

Villain:
Aggressive player with wider opening range
Likes to buy the flop (although only opens weak suited hands and up)
*I had lost a previous all in hand to him where he also took up a weird line of betting*

• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way
  • We go all in on turn
  • lost 2nd buy in
  • Villain had also led out with donk bet --> I reraised --> Villain called --> Villain jammed on turn

Hero hand
Position: CO


Preflop:

1. Villain (HJ) opens to 3.5BB
2. Hero (CO) re-raises to 12BB
3. SB calls
4. UTG + 1 calls

Flop:

1. SB & UTG +1 checks
2. Villain donk bets, lead out with 42BB (nearly pot size)

Hero decision?

Spoiler: Hero decision and justification

Hero decides to fold. Villain takes down pot.

1. I think it was a weird line of betting that rarely happened during the 2hr+ game.
2. Villain donk bets OOP to a preflop 3bet, into a multiway pot.
   • C-bets are usually max 50% pot for inflated pots.
3. Villain possibly puts hero on an overpair, and hopes that SB/BB are drawing to a flush and trying to charge for it (SB and UTG both like to pay for draws)

Point 2 jus screams strength to me.
Betting pot size into a 3bet, OOP, with 3 other players who are each 12BB in preflop

I would put him on , dont think a set would play this way, most likely would be drawing value instead. Trying to charge / chase out the flush draws
Possibly he felt valued in with his after the other 2 flat called.

Afterwards, I told the table what my hand was and one of the players told me I was crazy to have done that.
Thoughts?
12BB reraise for KK too small?



** side rant, I was also lil tilted, having ran bad before this hand:

• Hero , villains
  • heads up
  • All in on flop dry flop
  • (lost first buy in)
• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way
  • We go all in on turn
  • lost 2nd buy in
• Hero , board , villains
  • HEADS UP
  • Folded on turn
  • lost 50% of 3rd buy in
• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way
  • Folded on turn
• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way
  • all in on turn
  • River is of cos,
• Hero , board , villains
  • 3 way (all in)
• Hero
  • 3 bet raised
  • Tight player 4 bets 3x (he doesnt even do this with AKs)
  • I fold

Did not hit any other 5 card combos the whole night except for 1 full house and 1 flush (lost both, Yes),
Hands I do sit out, they flop Full house with kind of combos
Player seated before me was dealt at least 8 hands of QQ+ (YES FREAKING UNBELIEVABLE)
Multiple times I folded small to medium pockets, OOP preflop (due to tilt, taking a break) villains are showing JJ+

All in a span of a 5hr game.
4 buy-ins deep at one point, managed to claw my way back to 1.5 buy-ins loss (with almost no made hands, believe it!)


Who said poker was fun and merry?!
Traumatising session to say the least.

Rant over, time to clear the negative energy.
Back to strong, positive thoughts

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Where is this? Casino? Private game?

 

[TAG_Cowboys]

Where is this? Casino? Private game?

Private game. We play with one another quite regularly, so know one another's game pretty decent

 

[tabletalker7]

I think I know what the villain had here. I do this A LOT, people know I do this, and they still fall for it. Villain had and led out with his flush draw. I lead out with the flush draw. Then when it hits I check, people think I fear the spades, and then people fire huge bets at it trying to get me to fold. People on here say it is stupid but damn if it doesn't work EVERY SINGLE TIME. Hell this villain got this poor guy to fold cowboys to it (which by the way, no way you should have fold here).