1/3 PLO: First Hand (1 Viewer)

[ruskba]

Just opened a new table of 1/3 PLO, pulled my $220 stack off the hold em table, added on $100 and sat down to wait for seats to fill up. Almost everyone else sits with $600+. I’ve never played PLO in a casino, or over .25/.50 stakes, so I’m a bit uncomfortable but ready to take a shot.

Look down at in mid position. One limp (it’s $5 to limp/open), another raises to $20. Action on me with four players left to act behind. Our play?

 

[gopherblue]

Pot.

 

[colter ripton]

Pot it

 

[Rhodeman77]

Pretty easy raise for sure.

 

[DrStrange]

Not quite sure how $1 + $3 +$3 +$3 becomes a $17 pot raise. Maybe there is some other limper, let's assume so?

Pot would be $20 + $20 + $17 = $57 more or "pot" = $77. Hero would have $243 left behind. No reason to pot now without having a plan.

If Hero is potting it, can we assume he is pot committed on most flops?

Does he bet the flop holding a pair of kings + air?

Does Hero fear an ace high flop without improving his hand?

 

[Hornet]

I call. I don’t view KK without broadway cards as a premium hand worth three-betting and building a big pot, even if they are double suited.

 

[kmccormick100]

Not quite sure how $1 + $3 +$3 +$3 becomes a $17 pot raise. Maybe there is some other limper, let's assume so?

Pot would be $20 + $20 + $17 = $57 more or "pot" = $77. Hero would have $243 left behind. No reason to pot now without having a plan.

If Hero is potting it, can we assume he is pot committed on most flops?

Does he bet the flop holding a pair of kings + air?

Does Hero fear an ace high flop without improving his hand?

I assume it’s $1/3 with a $5 bring in/limp?

I’m probably making it $80 to try and take it 2-3 handed with good but non-nut drawing hands.

 

[ruskba]

I assume it’s $1/3 with a $5 bring in/limp?

This is correct, will update OP

 

[GK Willie]

Call. Fold if it's 3 bet back to you and not multiway

 

[Hornet]

I agree with Dr. Strange’s analysis and would also ask whether you are willing to get your stack in preflop. If someone 4-bets, there is a very good chance you’re against AAxx, which your hand does not play well against.

 

[FDLmold]

The kings look pretty, and the double suited cards look pretty. But this is not a premium hand.

I think potting is $69, so there is that.

 

[mipevi]

Call

 

[ruskba]

Call. Fold if it's 3 bet back to you and not multiway

This was basically my thinking. I’m not looking to get it in preflop.

Call $20. Button calls, rest fold.

Holding in mid position

Flop . Pot is $69. EP raiser checks to me. Action?

 

[mipevi]

The limper folded for $15 more when closing the action...

Check flop.

 

[ruskba]

If I’m being honest, I can’t remember if there was a limp/fold but it’s the only way I can figure out the raise to $20 being legal, and I know there were only three to the flop.

 

[detroitdad]

I'm calling here. Outside of the 4 and 5 suiting up the kings they are kind of worthless. Now if the 4 and 5 were instead suited and connected to the K/K then I would raise it up.

In this spot, I'm just calling.

 

[Hornet]

Interesting flop. Three handed, with the pf raiser checking to me, I bet pot and am prepared to get it in if raised. I can see a case for check-calling and check-jamming also, but I don’t think I like the idea of a free card here. There’s a good chance I’m ahead of villains, and there are several cards on the turn I don’t love, either because they could hit villains or kill my action.

 

[Legend5555]

I'm not great at PLO by any stretch, but unconnected suited KK I have typically played as a call. I can see merit to raising if you think you can go heads up, but in my experience this is not likely in live PLO. Outside of flopping top set, there aren't many flops that are great for you, especially multiway. Even when you flop a flush draw or straight draw, they are likely not going to be to the nuts.

Flop seems like call. But it's not a great spot if you face a lot of heat. Though you are short enough that just going with it can't be that bad. I'm sure you can get better advice from PLO players though.

 

[HanShot1st]

You have the wrong end of the straight. And the 2nd nut flush draw if I read this right. You’re not drawing to the nuts. Check, I could get behind a bet here trying to take it down now, but if/when you get called you’re going to be in tough shape on many turns and rivers.

 

[APatHand]

Not really sure where you were going when you got into this mess. You have gotten involved like a holdem player.
Check and see how it develops. It is the first hand at a new table maybe they will let you live.
If it checks around you can better control the size of the pot on the next round of betting. Maybe your one (1) nut out will pop on the turn.
If someone bets you can fold and take a $20 lesson about getting involved with 2nd nut hands out of position.

 

[Hornet]

Although I agree with those concerned about playing non-nut hands, we are post flop against only two other players. The pre flop raiser has already checked. I think it is beyond weak to check-fold. By checking to the button, you are inviting him to bet. If he bets, the button’s range will include any set, two pairs with straight draws or weak flush draws, and the nfd. And, of course, the higher straights. Let’s also not forget that hero is not very deep for a 1-3-5 game, starting the hand with only 300. Post flop, his SPR is less than 5.

Without any reads on the button, in my opinion, you are ahead of the button’s range, and if the button bets after I check, I most likely jam and don’t look back.

 

[DrStrange]

PLO is a game of nut / near nut hands. More so as the stacks get deeper. It is also a game where planning the whole hand vs a street by street approach is important. The decision to limp, raise or reraise preflop makes a massive difference in the size of the bets later in the hand.

I think this was a fold preflop. Yes, yes that is nitty. Hero is only going to like top set flops and the rare nut flush draws. But Hero didn't fold, so here we are now.

Hero is in a RIO situation. The pots he wins will be smaller than the pots he loses. Hero can be put to the test for all his chips with two streets of betting.

The bottom end of a straight is called the sucker end for good reason. It is a fragile enough hand in hold'em. In this situation it is an emergency high hand - one where Hero is happy to rake in the chips but wasn't counting on it.

I vote check and see what happens. That is a check/fold.

 

[APatHand]

Although I agree with those concerned about playing non-nut hands, we are post flop against only two other players. The pre flop raiser has already checked. I think it is beyond weak to check-fold. By checking to the button, you are inviting him to bet. If he bets, the button’s range will include any set, two pairs with straight draws or weak flush draws, and the nfd. And, of course, the higher straights. Let’s also not forget that hero is not very deep for a 1-3-5 game, starting the hand with only 300. Post flop, his SPR is less than 5.

Without any reads on the button, in my opinion, you are ahead of the button’s range, and if the button bets after I check, I most likely jam and don’t look back.

I can see the case for jam and hope.
If nothing else it sets up an image for the remainder of the hero's stay in the game; however brief that may be.
Hell, if the jam works, you might even show the hand to prove what a r00ling PLO player (or donkey) you are.

 

[Hornet]

I can see the case for jam and hope.
If nothing else it sets up an image for the remainder of the hero's stay in the game; however brief that may be.
Hell, if the jam works, you might even show the hand to prove what a r00ling PLO player (or donkey) you are.

In my mind bet>check-jam>check-call or fold. I may very well be a donkey PLO player, which @Rhodeman77 can certainly attest to. Curious what his thoughts are on the hand at this point.

 

[Rhodeman77]

The most important factor about this hand is how short stacked Hero started with. At this point I am getting the money in as fast as possible. If here was deep stacked I would play this much more cautiously. 3 way with a flipped straight (even bad end) with the second nut flush draw we are strong enough to go with it I think. But I have more gamble (and rebuys) with me.

 

[Hornet]

^^^
This

 

[joker80]

I agree with @Rhodeman77 , this is as good as it gets for our hand other than flopping a K. Get it in now, the key decision on this hand was preflop now you have to go with it.

 

[Darson]

I have nothing meaningful to add, just want to say that I'm so happy to be finally able to understand non-NLHE talk!

 

[ruskba]

Holding in mid position

Flop . Pot is $69. EP raiser checks to me.

I feel my hand has value and decide that the check from EP means I might realistically be HU against the button. I bet $50. Button calls, EP calls.

Turn comes Pot is $219. EP checks. Action?

 

[APatHand]

Goodbye, Mr. Chips!
Pot/All-in!