1/3 PLO: First Hand (2 Viewers)

[detroitdad]

check. probably check fold. I wouldn't have bet the turn.

 

[Hornet]

The only better turn is Ac. Still a good chance you’re ahead, and by betting you may be able to get hands with good equity against yours to fold. I pot.

 

[detroitdad]

I'm not a fan of calling off my money on the low end of straights/flushes in a PLO game. If you do that consistently I believe you will be a losing player over time.

Hand selection, and flop discipline are extremely important in these high variance games.

 

[mipevi]

Kinda icky SPR now. Turn the over, smile, and pot.

 

[Hornet]

I'm not a fan of calling off my money on the low end of straights/flushes in a PLO game. If you do that consistently I believe you will be a losing player over time.

Hand selection, and flop discipline are extremely important in these high variance games.

I’m also not an advocate of calling off, but I’m advocating betting in this situation. First off, you are three handed. Neither villain has shown any strength. Particularly the pre-flop raiser, who check-called the flop. And the button’s range I still think is fairly wide.

Hero has basically a pot-sized bet left in front of him. I would put it to good use and pot.

I’m with you in concept on hand selection and discipline. But with a stack of hero’s size, I’m willing to get it in here. You may even get 95xx to fold. And if you’re betting into the nuts, at least you have a backup plan.

I would also add, although it’s very player dependent, rarely do I see players in either of the villains’ positions not raise the nuts on the flop given the hero’s stack size.

 

[HanShot1st]

All in, grab your ankles, and be ready to go to your “happy place.”

 

[Hornet]

Also, I have a “really good feeling” about hero’s hand!

 

[FDLmold]

I think the 3rd nut straight and the 2nd nut flush draw are enough to pot it here with hero's current SPR of 1.

 

[Moxie Mike]

Holding in mid position

Flop . Pot is $69. EP raiser checks to me.

I feel my hand has value and decide that the check from EP means I might realistically be HU against the button. I bet $50. Button calls, EP calls.

Turn comes Pot is $219. EP checks. Action?

I like the flop bet after the preflop aggressor checks to us. You have a chance to find out where you are in the hand and taking it down there is a good result. In this case, the button and EP calling highly suggests they do not hold the nuts. Without player reads we have to make a lot of assumptions... but one that is decently reliable against unknown players is that either player holding the nuts would have raised - especially EP. I think the only hands that beat you and flat call are 9-10-A with the NFD and 5-9-A with the NFD. The bare nut straight raises most of the time here.

I read this as one of them (probably EP) has flopped a set, while the other has the nut flush draw. 9-5 is also a possibility. Neither raises as they don't want to get blown off their hands by an all-in 3-bet.

The deuce on the turn is about as safe of a turn card as you could have hoped for. I'm jamming hoping to take it down there and hoping to get 9-5 to fold. Both the bare nut flush draw and a set folds there a decent percentage of the time. Obviously, A-9-10 and A-9-5 with the NFD are never folding to an all-in bet.

 

[gopherblue]

Pot for all the reasons above.

And the fact that it is the first hand and you are short stacked are very valuable. If you lose, it gives you an image you can manipulate later with a big hand.

 

[DrStrange]

It is too late now for caution. someone should have bet with T9. 95 is possible, but maybe not. Let's go all-in and hope for a good river.

 

[ruskba]

Holding in mid position

Flop . Pot is $69. EP raiser checks to me.

I feel my hand has value and decide that the check from EP means I might realistically be HU against the button. I bet $50. Button calls, EP calls.

Turn comes Pot is $219. EP checks. Hero checks. Button bets $130, EP calls $130. Action?

 

[Moxie Mike]

Holding in mid position

Flop . Pot is $69. EP raiser checks to me.

I feel my hand has value and decide that the check from EP means I might realistically be HU against the button. I bet $50. Button calls, EP calls.

Turn comes Pot is $219. EP checks. Hero checks. Button bets $130, EP calls $130. Action?

How you got there I think you need to release the hand unless you feel like making a hero call. If you think you were best on the flop, you're still best now but you've found your way into a very enviable spot where you have zero fold equity while at the same time are pot committed to calling basically any river action (if you call the turn).

So I'd say cut your losses and muck.

 

[Hornet]

Holding in mid position

Flop . Pot is $69. EP raiser checks to me.

I feel my hand has value and decide that the check from EP means I might realistically be HU against the button. I bet $50. Button calls, EP calls.

Turn comes Pot is $219. EP checks. Hero checks. Button bets $130, EP calls $130. Action?

One of the reasons for betting the turn is so that you don’t have to make this decision. But now that it has been checked to the button, he has basically been invited to steal. You no longer have any fold equity, so the question is whether you are getting appropriate odds to call given the hand ranges. I think you are clearly ahead of EP’s range and he is very likely on a draw. I also think you are getting the right price to call the button, whose hand range I still think is very wide and includes sets along with combo draws.

Just get all your chips in now while you are ahead.

 

[Rhodeman77]

Agree with @Hornet. If Button has the 9-5 straight he would be betting pot. It feels much more like a go away bet since he was checked to. I feel Hero should jam get called in both spots and ride the variance roller coaster!!

Should have bet the turn for sure.

 

[gmunny]

I agree with the above, you push and pray for no club or pairing of the board.

 

[Hornet]

Just curious @ruskba, would you describe the physical appearances of villains? It might help slightly with the decision.

 

[ruskba]

I honestly don’t remember what EP looked like. I was in the 1 seat and he was in the 10 seat so the dealer was blocking. Button was in his 40s or so, Mediterranean maybe? Nobody wearing anything flashy, no sunglasses or headphones or anything.

 

[ruskba]

Holding in mid position

Flop . Pot is $69. EP raiser checks to me.

I feel my hand has value and decide that the check from EP means I might realistically be HU against the button. I bet $50. Button calls, EP calls.

Turn comes Pot is $219. EP checks. Hero checks. Button bets $130, EP calls $130. Hero sees monsters under the bed and folds. River comes , both players check and button takes it down with a garbage two pair .

Blah. Took a while to get over that one. Any reads would have changed my play drastically as it was clear after that that the button was very splashy. Eventually booked a nice win by nut peddling, but haven’t gotten this hand out of head since.

 

[Rhodeman77]

At least you learned from the hand and were able to put it to good use for the rest of the session. Once you play more PLO bet sizing tells will be more apparent.