10g or 14g or heavier? (2 Viewers)

[Skuro]

Hi guys,

Currently hiring designers to help me with creating a custom poker chip set and was working out the dimensions of the poker chip that im envisioning.

One question which I found hard to decide on was the weight. I decided on 40mm textured ceramic with a flat mold (no markings, directly printed on), but wasnt sure if people would prefer a 10g, 14g or a heavier (if possible) chip. Leaning more towards a 14g chip but potentially exploring slightly heavier options if possible - something never done before?

Which ones do people normally prefer and why?

 

[ovo]

I don't think weight matters so much, BUT I prefer consistent weight across the board. It's annoying when one chip weighs so much less than others. But I imagine with customs you will have consistent weight, so If I had a choice, I prefer the heavier weight . I have some B&G chips around 14g and they are very nice (problem with them is they didn't give their fracs and dollars the same love, they are a lower weight)

go heavy I say

 

[Eriks]

I’ll contrast and say that a chip shouldn’t weigh more than 10-11 grams. I’ve owned 14g+ B&Gs and the weight was a complete deal breaker for me.

Also, you’re not getting ceramic chips that weigh that much, it’d have to be something slugged

 

[SoupHQ]

[x] 10g or less
[ ] 14g

 

[Skuro]

Also, you’re not getting ceramic chips that weigh that much, it’d have to be something slugged

Just curious, is it feasible for ceramics to be slugged? I do see some listings for custom ceramics at 14g of weight, are those questionable ceramics?

 

[mipevi]

Currently hiring designers to help me with creating a custom poker chip set and was working out the dimensions of the poker chip that im envisioning.

We don't generally design poker chips from scratch, but rather use existing chip manufacturers and the options they offer. Doesn't mean you can't do that, but it would certainly cost a lot more.

 

[Skuro]

We don't generally design poker chips from scratch, but rather use existing chip manufacturers and the options they offer. Doesn't mean you can't do that, but it would certainly cost a lot more.

I did check out the existing chip manufacturers and their templates provided, but I was thinking of a textured ceramic blank with the custom designs printed onto it with inlay/edges customisation and the full works of security features - so the existing options might not be suitable.

Got a general graphic designer working on a first draft but I think someone who has more experience with poker chip designs would be needed to go through a second round.

When you say it would cost a lot more, is this referring to the per unit costs for the manufacturer or the fixed costs for the design? I was thinking that manufacturers would charge the same for custom textured ceramic blanks print-ons.

 

[Eriks]

Just curious, is it feasible for ceramics to be slugged? I do see some listings for custom ceramics at 14g of weight, are those questionable ceramics?

Never heard of that, but the chip business is full of false claims

 

[Eriks]

For instance there’s only one company that still manufactures and sells compression molded clay chips to the public, but you’ll see ”clay” chips sold just about everywhere

The real deal:

http://classicpokerchips.com/pokerchips/realclaypokerchips.htm

 

[TheLemursReturn]

clay chips

classicpokerchips.com

 

[LowerBama1714]

For instance there’s only one company that still manufactures and sells compression molded clay chips to the public, but you’ll see ”clay” chips sold just about everywhere

The real deal:

http://classicpokerchips.com/pokerchips/realclaypokerchips.htm

Clay AND cotton….

 

[allforcharity]

10g

 

[mipevi]

When you say it would cost a lot more, is this referring to the per unit costs for the manufacturer or the fixed costs for the design? I was thinking that manufacturers would charge the same for custom textured ceramic blanks print-ons.

From your opening post I got the idea you were looking to create a new chip, with whatever dimensions and weight you decide upon. That would be expensive.

 

[upNdown]

I think most experienced chippers would prefer a 10 gram chip. But are they really your target market?

My guess would be that most people who would be buying a predesigned set like I think you’re describing are probably less experienced with chips and are more likely to be persuaded by the heavier weight. Especially if they’re comparing to other things they see on the market - they’ll probably think heavier is better.

 

[Skuro]

I think most experienced chippers would prefer a 10 gram chip. But are they really your target market?

My guess would be that most people who would be buying a predesigned set like I think you’re describing are probably less experienced with chips and are more likely to be persuaded by the heavier weight. Especially if they’re comparing to other things they see on the market - they’ll probably think heavier is better.

I think you hit the head of the nail right there, im also hoping that heavier is better is true for some of us here as well but yes, so 14g slugged chips seem to be casino grade plastics/clay it seems!

 

[Eriks]

14g slugged chips seem to be casino grade plastics/clay it seems!

 

[upNdown]

Yeah you need an oversized clay to approach 14 grams.

 

[Eriks]

Clay AND cotton….

Yeah alright, and ceramics aren’t really ceramic.

@Skuro if you want really heavy chips @Aquaman is your guy

 

[Skuro]

I found this set from a company which I really like - Slowplay. It says that its 40mm, 14g metal slugged clays? Or is it actually a form of plastic composite? Was really inspired by its full face printing capabilities rather than a sticker in a recessed center.

 

[Eriks]

I found this set from a company which I really like - Slowplay. It says that its 40mm, 14g metal slugged clays? Or is it actually a form of plastic composite? Was really inspired by its full face printing capabilities rather than a sticker in a recessed center.

”Clay”, ”clay composite” are both just marketing gimicks that doesn’t mean anything. Those are low quality plastics sluggos, no matter what they call them.

Was really inspired by its full face printing capabilities rather than a sticker in a recessed center.

zooming in, it looks like that’s exactly what they are

 

[Pippa]

10g

 

[upNdown]

I found this set from a company which I really like - Slowplay. It says that it’s 40mm, 14g metal slugged clays? Or is it actually a form of plastic composite? Was really inspired by its full face printing capabilities rather than a sticker in a recessed center.

When you see stuff like this that says clay, it usually means clay composite, which means mostly if not entirely plastic.
When chippers say clay, they mean compressed clay.
There are only two companies in the entire world currently producing compressed clay chips:
1. Paulson, owned by Angel
2. Classic Poker Chips (CPC)
Thus, it is safe to assume that just about everything on the market is not clay, despite what they claim.

If they’re new and they’re not selling for more than $1 per chip, they’re not clay.

The chips you’ve pictured are almost certainly not compressed clay (one easy way to tell is by their perfectly uniform edge spots.)

 

[TX_Golf_N_Poker]

Just curious, is it feasible for ceramics to be slugged? I do see some listings for custom ceramics at 14g of weight, are those questionable ceramics?

You need to realize that "ceramic" is just a term we use in the hobby. They are not really ceramic in the sense of other true ceramic products. They are still injection molded material that is primarily plastic. So I would say yes, there probably are chips out there that look and feel like smooth, no mold ceramics and have a slug in them. But I don't know where you might find them.

Regarding your initial question, I would say that the vast majority here in the PCF chipper world prefer their 39mm chips to be non-slugged in the 9-11 gram weight range. I do. 11g leaded clay chips are amazing and 9 gram non-leaded CPCs are too. 13-14 gram slugged plastic chips are mostly pretty gross. There are some heavier, high end plastic chips like Abbiatti that are slugged and around 12-13g that are very nice. But I don't believe they sell small, individual orders to the public.

 

[surfik]

10-11 g is sweet spot! especially when you have to carry

 

[RichMahogany]

14g “clay” chips almost always denotes a shitty, plastic, slugged chip

 

[LeLe]

Speaking from a fellow local, you are only going to find Ceramic and Slugged Plastic (which many other have mentioned wrongly advertised as Clay) in Vendor Shop or Home game.

10g Ceramic
14g Slugged Plastic

Unless you happen to join in a PCF Chipper member home game, you might find it hard to see other material chip like Paulson Clay, CPC Clay, Casino-grade plastic etc

 

[Dcarl]

Another vote for staying around 10g. Didn't think it would be a big deal having had cheaper slugged ~13g chips. But got my hands on some PaulsonRHC chips and it was night and day with pretty much everything especially the weight.

Side note, I always see that company 'slow play' and thought that was such a bad name for a poker company lol.

 

[Skuro]

Wow thanks guys for all the help and support. Kinda more enlightened now

When you see stuff like this that says clay, it usually means clay composite, which means mostly if not entirely plastic.

If they’re new and they’re not selling for more than $1 per chip, they’re not clay.

Got it, Cost per unit is a good way to determine material. Basically everything on market with a B2C model is some form of plastic composite, just of varying qualities.

You need to realize that "ceramic" is just a term we use in the hobby. They are not really ceramic in the sense of other true ceramic products. They are still injection molded material that is primarily plastic. So I would say yes, there probably are chips out there that look and feel like smooth, no mold ceramics and have a slug in them. But I don't know where you might find them.

Regarding your initial question, I would say that the vast majority here in the PCF chipper world prefer their 39mm chips to be non-slugged in the 9-11 gram weight range. I do. 11g leaded clay chips are amazing and 9 gram non-leaded CPCs are too. 13-14 gram slugged plastic chips are mostly pretty gross. There are some heavier, high end plastic chips like Abbiatti that are slugged and around 12-13g that are very nice. But I don't believe they sell small, individual orders to the public.

I think with all the advice given so far, perhaps I would be leaning towards abbiattis or matsuis to achieve the same weight/feel. But from a cost per unit perspective it seems a little steep and was wondering if sources like Tina would be able to replicate the manufacturing standards for a fraction of the price?

 

[LeLe]

I think with all the advice given so far, perhaps I would be leaning towards abbiattis or matsuis to achieve the same weight/feel. But from a cost per unit perspective it seems a little steep and was wondering if sources like Tina would be able to replicate the manufacturing standards for a fraction of the price?

Very unlikely you going to end up with the same quality of the material even if Tina replicate the standards

Cost per unit perspective is still cheaper to get chip from Tina. An estimate gauge IMO is

10c cost per chip will net you 3/10 rating chip
30c cost per chip will net you 5/10 rating chip
$1-$2 cost will net you 8.5-9.5/10 rating chip
$4-$10^ cost will net you 9.6-10/10 rating chip

 

[wickedwonka121]

Anything over 11g becomes too heavy. The first mistake people make is chasing that heavy clunk. It's not important. Less than 9 feels a bit cheap. Keep it around 10 and you'll enjoy the experience.