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What most worries us is that villain flopped the straight plus either a set or higher straight draws.
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2-2 PLO Hand Advice (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Hornet
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Preflop I don't like that you block the 
as it should be in a bad opponent's hand when you hit the flush. Next time fold this hand, but play 
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I don't know if you're repping anything other than the nuts when you pot that flop, I would bet ~$70. A smaller bet would have made UTG's raise size more tolerable as well, now you have no room to maneuver on the turn. As played, this looks like a fold.
as it should be in a bad opponent's hand when you hit the flush. Next time fold this hand, but play . I don't know if you're repping anything other than the nuts when you pot that flop, I would bet ~$70. A smaller bet would have made UTG's raise size more tolerable as well, now you have no room to maneuver on the turn. As played, this looks like a fold.
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And here’s what happened ...
Button straddle for $5, and I have
in MP. I limp, Button makes it 20, SB calls, BB calls, and UTG calls. I call closing the action. Pot is $100.
Flop is
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Checked to Hero, who pots for $100. I understand the argument for check-calling and gave that line some thought. However, given button’s calling range and the stack sizes, my goal in betting was to get value by having button chase a weak draw and hopefully isolate him.
Button and SB fold. BB flats and UTG pots to $500. UTG has $650 behind, BB has $330 behind, and Hero covers.
Hero thinks for a while and comes to the conclusion that it is extremely unlikely for UTG to take this line without T9. Hero is not certain that UTG has a big redraw, but figures there is a good chance he does. So Hero folds.
BB calls. I immediately turn to UTG and say “do you have a redraw?” He says “yep.” Turn is Ks and UTG says “I have spades.” River 2s. UTG tables
. Hero wants to 
.
I’m surprised UTG would shove there with an extremely weak redraw, and maybe I need to adjust my view of him. BB did not show, but claimed to also have T9, with an A so that the turn gave him broadway.
I bounced this hand off a couple of the good PLO players at the casino (one of whom was in the game), who basically said to just get it in on the flop.
Button straddle for $5, and I have
in MP. I limp, Button makes it 20, SB calls, BB calls, and UTG calls. I call closing the action. Pot is $100.Flop is
.Checked to Hero, who pots for $100. I understand the argument for check-calling and gave that line some thought. However, given button’s calling range and the stack sizes, my goal in betting was to get value by having button chase a weak draw and hopefully isolate him.
Button and SB fold. BB flats and UTG pots to $500. UTG has $650 behind, BB has $330 behind, and Hero covers.
Hero thinks for a while and comes to the conclusion that it is extremely unlikely for UTG to take this line without T9. Hero is not certain that UTG has a big redraw, but figures there is a good chance he does. So Hero folds.
BB calls. I immediately turn to UTG and say “do you have a redraw?” He says “yep.” Turn is Ks and UTG says “I have spades.” River 2s. UTG tables
. Hero wants to .I’m surprised UTG would shove there with an extremely weak redraw, and maybe I need to adjust my view of him. BB did not show, but claimed to also have T9, with an A so that the turn gave him broadway.
I bounced this hand off a couple of the good PLO players at the casino (one of whom was in the game), who basically said to just get it in on the flop.
Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
Sorry I missed this one. I'm fine with limping your hand from the CO or button if the field is weak and it's unlikely to get raised behind you, and at least have a positional advantage given your hand strength is lacking somewhat. But a fold is fine as well.
As it stands, it's checked to us, we flopped the nuts with very little in the way of redraws, but the board is also fairly safe since it's rainbow. I don't like to check behind here, there are some turns we're going to hate as our hand really isn't going to improve, but others could improve their holdings or pickup a draw that they decide to go with on us.
I like betting 2/3rd the pot to the full size of the pot on the flop there. When you're check-raised by the UTG player, I'm fine with going with your read that he is unlikely to be doing that without at least the same hand as you, and possibly with redraws against your holding and folding your straight, rather than getting yourself in a spot where you can at best win half the pot, and at worst get stacked because you're being freerolled.
Now when we see the Hold Em player show down his hand we'll need to adjust our read for next time, since he obviously doesn't understand redraws all that well, so spots in the future against him like this will be calls.
As it stands, it's checked to us, we flopped the nuts with very little in the way of redraws, but the board is also fairly safe since it's rainbow. I don't like to check behind here, there are some turns we're going to hate as our hand really isn't going to improve, but others could improve their holdings or pickup a draw that they decide to go with on us.
I like betting 2/3rd the pot to the full size of the pot on the flop there. When you're check-raised by the UTG player, I'm fine with going with your read that he is unlikely to be doing that without at least the same hand as you, and possibly with redraws against your holding and folding your straight, rather than getting yourself in a spot where you can at best win half the pot, and at worst get stacked because you're being freerolled.
Now when we see the Hold Em player show down his hand we'll need to adjust our read for next time, since he obviously doesn't understand redraws all that well, so spots in the future against him like this will be calls.
WedgeRock
Royal Flush
Do you think you're going to get four folds if you bet here? Given that our hand is the weakest of made hands and we only win if every draw in every other hand misses (nearly impossible in a 5-way hand), doesn't checking get you another card cheaply?
I don't hate the PF call, but if I play such a speculative hand, unless I smash the flop, I'm not looking to put more money in multi-way. A nut straight with zero re-draws is not smashing the flop.
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Anthony Martino
Royal Flush
We already were checked to by three players on this rainbow flop. The remaining player to act behind us is loose but will not bet his draws, he will chase draws
Given that information, the fact that the board is rainbow and we have the nuts, I'm very much in favor of a bet here
Do I think I'll get four folds if we bet? Well, there's no info about the SB, but the BB and UTG seem to both be fairly snug players and both checked this flop over
The remaining player to act is likely to call if he has a draw. Our worst case scenerio is that we are up against another made hand that has redraws to a higher straight or a full house that can freeroll us
If the flop had two flush cards we didn't have a draw to and we were one of the first players to act I'd take a more cautious line
But 3 of the players checked this rainbow flop to us, we have the nuts and I'm inclined in this spot to bet while ahead, rather than letting someone pair the turn or pickup a flush draw or higher straight for free
We are 55% against AKQT
We are 65% against AKQJ
We are 55% against AKQQ
We are 67% against QQ76
Hands that are freerolling us we tie between 50-70% of the time and lose the rest (AKT9, QQT9, QJT9, etc)
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