$2/5 NLHE: Planned a steal, but flopped the nutter butters... (1 Viewer)

[bergs]

If we raise the river (and we should) I'm always calling a jam this deep. Given the bet sizing on the flop (which looked like a simple C-bet) and the check on the turn, our hand actually looks quite weak. I don't like the way we played it, but we're in a spot now where there is a fair amount of air and one-pair with busted straight hands in our range. If we raise it actually looks a bit bluffy and I think as a result we need to call any jam. Sets, AK, AQ, AJ, and any 2 pair hands are going to be able to justify jamming. We're afraid of exactly one hand (QJ). Like Butler said, no monsters under this bed.

 

[Ronoh]

The only JQ he can have is really JdQd.

Uhhhh.... what?

 

[jbutler]

Results: I raised $250 on top of his $75.

Like Berg I was ready to call any jam over the top of my raise, but I sized the raise so large that I thought he would very rarely be jamming with air to get me off a hand or jamming even with a set. So maybe another error by me in that regard. Anyway, he tanked for like a full 3 minutes and I'm sitting there thinking, "If he raises me after all this I can actually fold because it would have been one of the worst hollywoods of all time."

But he called and mucked when I tabled my hand and snap racked up and left. Obv didn't ask him what he had so we shall never know.

Moral of this story: do your best to fuck up every street of betting and you can still win with the second nuts.

Actual moral of the story: don't play so fancy dumbass. If he had a real hand I likely left whatever was left of his stack on the table by checking back the turn.

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

I don't know, Jack. He's probably check-calling the turn, and check-calling the river instead of bet-calling the river, so you probably made out about the same. Only possible difference is if he was planning on check-raising the turn or river.

 

[courage]

Villain started thread on 2+2 about $2/5 Borg donk that 3bet straddle with J9 pf and got lucky. Trup AAA no good.

 

[DrStrange]

You have to wonder why someone straddles and then takes a passive line with pocket aces in the straddle.

Who's the donkey now? -=- DrStrange

 

[bergs]

Uhhhh.... what?

Sorry, I forgot that we didn't bet the turn. If we bet the turn (hard) and he called, it's going to be difficult for him to call with a gutter unless he also has the flush draw.

 

[Ronoh]

Sorry, I forgot that we didn't bet the turn. If we bet the turn (hard) and he called, it's going to be difficult for him to call with a gutter unless he also has the flush draw.

Gotcha, had to go back myself to verify the turn was checked after I read that. Turn gave QJ a double gutter as well.

 

[onerand]

Shoving river is cute because you can't represent much with your line and it should be bluff heavy, hence not a good bluff spot. Your most likely value hand is KK that got scared on the turn. Hard to come up with another strong hand that checked turn.

 

[Jimulacrum]

A little late to the party, but I like the flop bet (looks like a follow-up c-bet after a preflop steal).

I don't love the turn check but don't hate it either. I'd prefer a $100-ish bet so that Villain's range on the river is clearer, in case he calls and a threatening card falls. I'd also prefer a bet because it looks like you might just be swinging at the pot. If you were strong on the flop, the ace will generally hurt you, and if you were weak, the ace maybe improved you to one pair. Betting both rounds looks fishy, and this is good. I'd like for it to look like I'm getting out of line in this spot.

I like the river raise size. If he was just swinging, we take it down either way, but if he was betting aces up or a set for perceived value, our raise may look like a steal attempt after our weakness on the turn—too small to be a milk-raise, but not so big he can't call. Obviously it worked, so bravo. I think you'd make the same or a little more by betting the turn, but then again, maybe it was the king that made his hand.

 

[moojersey]

Funny hand for sure. I'm firing away on all streets.