Cash Game 25c/25c cash game chip breakdown (3 Viewers)

[RagingAZN]

I run a regular two table, 50c/50c game with $50 min buy-ins but our average buy-in is probably $150-$200.

As I want to minimise the amount of admin when giving out chips, I make up 25 barrels of 4x50c, 8x$1 and 8x$5. I have a total of 100x50c, 200x$1, 400x$5, 75x$25, 25x$100. This system works because I have very little admin when giving out chips. Making change is not an issue with my guys, they just make it with their neigbour anyway. We play quite a deep game and usually end up having $5-6k across both tables easy by the end of the night.

I know the PCF mantra is "MOAR CHIPS!" but if they just sit in racks and look pretty, what's the point? Unless that is the point perhaps

 

[4SUMERZ]

I'm curious as to why you like .50 chips at all. From my experience, whenever a game has .25 and .50 chips, most players end up using mostly one and the other just collects dust.

I just like the looks of them. My players have no issues using both the .25 and .50 chips, and making change with the neighbours as required. Both get used equally, except the final hand of the evening where every player in the pot throws in the .25 chips so they don't have to count them for the cash out

 

[allforcharity]

I can see the logic of two racks of fracs for a 0.25/0.25 game where everybody eats limpy nit sandwiches. I only hope you can afford them, because clay fracs often cost THE MOST.

 

[KHarp1]

I can see the logic of two racks of fracs for a 0.25/0.25 game where everybody eats limpy nit sandwiches. I only hope you can afford them, because clay fracs often cost THE MOST.

What he said! My Tina example was about the cheapest example I could make. If you're piecing together original sets from defunct card rooms, then the fracs will usually be the most expensive. The high denom chips are usually the most expensive on a per chip basis, but, getting 200 fracs can be next to impossible. Would love a couple of racks of the original HSI quarters, but, I'm not prepared to pay the 2-3k its going to take, on the slim chance anyone is even willing to let two racks go in the first place.

 

[LeLe]

I can see the logic of two racks of fracs for a 0.25/0.25 game where everybody eats limpy nit sandwiches. I only hope you can afford them, because clay fracs often cost THE MOST.

With the new generation chippers, 95% of the members are Tina Chippers rather than Paulson Chippers so 2 Fracs being non affordable is a thing of the past.

What he said! My Tina example was about the cheapest example I could make. If you're piecing together original sets from defunct card rooms, then the fracs will usually be the most expensive.

Yes, really make sense for the wallet to get 2 racks of fracs if you can get them afforable.

I plan to get a breakdown of 2 fracs for the first time when the Tangier Set is finalized. More variety and coverage, plus it cheap

 

[Jeevansluck]

Great thread.

200 fracs. MOAR chips. Less change making

Do what you want. There are NO RULES. I’ve said it before

I run games too. 200 fracs across all my sets. 300 $1s across all my sets. 400 $5s across all my sets. 80/20 $25/$100 rack in each and every set (I’ve rarely even felted a $25)

I can run anything I want. I will always advocate for 200 fracs. I’ve routinely gotten them in play, it’s not any sort of an issue. They are usually pretty and everyone enjoys it. I’ve never heard a complaint!

 

[cpac54]

I used to be in the 200x fracs camp, but in practice found that it was just too many. Inevitability it seemed that most of them ended up in the stacks of 1 or 2 players anyways.

Nowadays, I find 120-140 a perfect amount for my 0.25/0.50 game. Our game is a 200bb buy-in though, and it admittedly plays somewhat bigger.

 

[Tonystark137]

I used to be in the 200x fracs camp, but in practice found that it was just too many. Inevitability it seemed that most of them ended up in the stacks of 1 or 2 players anyways.

Nowadays, I find 120-140 a perfect amount for my 0.25/0.50 game. Our game is a 200bb buy-in though, and it admittedly plays somewhat bigger.

I put 16 per player in play and don't introduce any more than that. If a player cashes out early I might buy some change from the cash out stack if I think the table is short but other than that it's pretty good flow. Occasional asks for change/ buying change from the pot.

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

I put 16 per player in play and don't introduce any more than that. If a player cashes out early I might buy some change from the cash out stack if I think the table is short but other than that it's pretty good flow. Occasional asks for change/ buying change from the pot.

16s not a bad number, I just find that with my apes it annoys them to have 21 $1s after I mentioned keeping them in stacks of $20.

Edit to add: and the barrels just easier for me. $25 in 40 chips plus $5s to buyin.

 

[cpac54]

16s not a bad number, I just find that with my apes it annoys them to have 21 $1s after I mentioned keeping them in stacks of $20.

Edit to add: and the barrels just easier for me. $25 in 40 chips plus $5s to buyin.

I just give out barrels of fracs with initial buy-ins until I don’t have anymore, or until 120-140 are in the table. The last few players can make change at the table before we start playing. Keeps it easier for me with banking.

 

[Jeevansluck]

I got this cool tray back in 2020 from @T_Chan and it’s quite a helper for handing out chips. If you look closely, there is a black hundo to segregate each 20 stack. So it’s easy for me to hand out any amount pretty quickly. This is a pic from my game last week, just before it started….

 

[cpac54]

I got this cool tray back in 2020 from @T_Chan and it’s quite a helper for handing out chips. If you look closely, there is a black hundo to segregate each 20 stack. So it’s easy for me to hand out any amount pretty quickly. This is a pic from my game last week, just before it started….

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How many chips does that hold?

 

[Jeevansluck]

How many chips does that hold?

Roughly 920 or so

EDIT : to add I also use it for holding rebuy stacks, for when I run tourneys. Just a great tray all around. The inside is coated with some sort of cool slippery material but safe for chippies!

 

[cpac54]

Roughly 920 or so

Oh wow, that’s perfect. Would love one on those for my game at some point.

 

[Tonystark137]

I got this cool tray back in 2020 from @T_Chan and it’s quite a helper for handing out chips. If you look closely, there is a black hundo to segregate each 20 stack. So it’s easy for me to hand out any amount pretty quickly. This is a pic from my game last week, just before it started….

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with a lock too

 

[allforcharity]

When your small blind and big blind are the same, then your blind chip becomes an effective workhorse, so you will probably need more when people frequently open 3-6BB.

 

[T_Chan]

I have them for sale still in silver. https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/metal-12-row-chip-trays.107163/

I've been been able to get one powder coated. I can't seem to find a photo of it though

 

[JustinInMN]

I'd rather count a few $.50 at cash out rather than more $0.25 Chips.
I can see where you are coming from, and I'll admit that I've gone against the grain of this forum concensus as far as having $0.50 chips along with $0.25 chips.
But my $0.50 chips are my favorite, so I had to get them in play..lol

And of course I am the opposite. I would rather count more chips in fewer denominations than fewer chips in more denominations.

It's much easier for me to add 11 quarters, 13 singles, and 2 fives in my head than 3 quarters, 4 halves, 13 singles, and 2 fives in my head, even though both are $25.75. I only have to keep 3 totals in mind not 4 (or gasp 5 if people are really doing five denomination cash games.)

 

[NotRealNameNoSir]

And of course I am the opposite. I would rather count more chips in fewer denominations than fewer chips in more denominations.

It's much easier for me to add 11 quarters, 13 singles, and 2 fives in my head than 3 quarters, 4 halves, 13 singles, and 2 fives in my head, even though both are $25.75. I only have to keep 3 totals in mind not 4 (or gasp 5 if people are really doing five denomination cash games.)

I managed to get 5 denoms on the table but it was more of a joke, first time using the set and $750 on the table I got a $100 out just to say I did. .25/1/5/20/100! Bingo!

 

[JustinInMN]

I managed to get 5 denoms on the table but it was more of a joke, first time using the set and $750 on the table I got a $100 out just to say I did. .25/1/5/20/100! Bingo!

At least the 100s and 20s probably weren't on the table in huge quantities. (Which is one of the benefits of spacing denoms out 4x or 5x.) If you had told me you had 5 denoms of 25¢/50¢/1/2/10 or something, then I would have mocked .

The fourth denom is usually just for "value store" to color up someone that has too many "workhorse chips" Looks like you went for a 5th as a super-value store to me.

 

[shangs]

When your small blind and big blind are the same, then your blind chip becomes an effective workhorse, so you will probably need more when people frequently open 3-6BB.

question if in this example where 6 bb is THE standard raise (im aware it makes 10x more sense to just raise the stakes but am the minority in the group) wouldnt that mean just using the next denm chip.

one irregualr game i host .50/.50 (-200bb) buy ins and typically and people open to 3$ putting in 3 1$ chips instead of quarters, would you reccommen adding an extra rack of .25 when i make my next purchase?

 

[allforcharity]

question if in this example where 6 bb is THE standard raise (im aware it makes 10x more sense to just raise the stakes but am the minority in the group) wouldnt that mean just using the next denm chip.

one irregualr game i host .50/.50 (-200bb) buy ins and typically and people open to 3$ putting in 3 1$ chips instead of quarters, would you reccommen adding an extra rack of .25 when i make my next purchase?

I was thinking more of 0.25/0.25 base stakes but overall the same idea can be applied to 0.50/0.50.

An 8-10 player game at 0.25/0.25 can be very comfortably done with 160-200 quarters.

The same at 0.50/0 50 in a game without quarters can be comfortably played with 60-100 half-dollars. Opening bets will almost always use whole $1s unless your table plays like a limp-fest.

 

[shangs]

I was thinking more of 0.25/0.25 base stakes but overall the same idea can be applied to 0.50/0.50.

An 8-10 player game at 0.25/0.25 can be very comfortably done with 160-200 quarters.

The same at 0.50/0 50 in a game without quarters can be comfortably played with 60-100 half-dollars. Opening bets will almost always use whole $1s unless your table plays like a limp-fest.

Okay thank you! I have quarters currently and don’t think i’ll change to half dollars just due to versatility of the chips but may purchase a few extra barrels then

 

[Jeevansluck]

This thread is great, but dam, all these fracs make chipping harder (if fancy nice looking fracs is a thing for you). I just love a fancy frac. I’ve blown a lot of good money, on the lowest value chip. I’m a total Chip donkey for sure. It’s brutal.

Reading the responses and thinking of my own hosting career, I’d surely love to graduate to $1/1 or $1/2 someday. That is my dream anyways, just $1s, $5s, and $25s. (Or $20s).

I don’t think I have enough sort of players in my group, who would play these frac-less stakes, yet. I have a few.

Someday….

 

[allforcharity]

This thread is great, but dam, all these fracs make chipping harder (if fancy nice looking fracs is a thing for you). I just love a fancy frac. I’ve blown a lot of good money, on the lowest value chip. I’m a total Chip donkey for sure. It’s brutal.

Reading the responses and thinking of my own hosting career, I’d surely love to graduate to $1/1 or $1/2 someday. That is my dream anyways, just $1s, $5s, and $25s. (Or $20s).

I don’t think I have enough sort of players in my group, who would play these frac-less stakes, yet. I have a few.

Someday….

Eventually, inflation will do it for you, will take 10-20 years (unless you live in Venezuela, then it'll happen in 10-20 days)

 

[hiddan]

This thread is great, but dam, all these fracs make chipping harder (if fancy nice looking fracs is a thing for you). I just love a fancy frac. I’ve blown a lot of good money, on the lowest value chip. I’m a total Chip donkey for sure. It’s brutal.

Reading the responses and thinking of my own hosting career, I’d surely love to graduate to $1/1 or $1/2 someday. That is my dream anyways, just $1s, $5s, and $25s. (Or $20s).

I don’t think I have enough sort of players in my group, who would play these frac-less stakes, yet. I have a few.

Someday….

Great thread indeed, also the one created and linked by @Machine was super useful for calculating the bank and breakdown.

Total noob here in the chip world but I was thinking that I will try to structure my first cash set around a very nice looking $5 chips, those will be used with almost any stakes...

 

[Nine_high]

I’ve scoured this site as well as Reddit for an answer to this question but I’ve been unable to find anything that directly answers it.

I’ve been starting to host some cash games with casual players and want to put together a cash game-specific chipset that could support both a 25c/25c cash game as well as 25c/50c game. I’ve seen lots of breakdowns for 25c/50c games but nothing for 25c/25c and I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around how the different blind structure would affect chip denomination counts. I want to be able to support a 10 player game and allow for unlimited rebuys.

What we have been doing is $25 dollar buy ins. Is a 25c/25c format even appropriate for this buy in amount?

Based on other posts I’m thinking the following breakdown for up to 10 players:

20 X 25c ($5)
15 X $1 ($15)
1 X $5 ($5)

Please let me know your suggestions on how I could configure the chip set to allow for 25c/25c and 25c/50c games.


Thanks!

I doesn't matter if you playing .25/.25, .25/.50, or .50/1 the same set will work for all of these. It's a quarters set.

You just need enough blind chips, workhorse chips, and bank chips to support the buy in potential.

100/200/200/80/20 is tried and true. Yeah more ones or fives is good but this will work perfectly fine.

 

[allforcharity]

I doesn't matter if you playing .25/.25, .25/.50, or .50/1 the same set will work for all of these. It's a quarters set.

You just need enough blind chips, workhorse chips, and bank chips to support the buy in potential.

100/200/200/80/20 is tried and true. Yeah more ones or fives is good but this will work perfectly fine.

He's right, you know

 

[Darson]

Realistically this depends on how your game plays. If the standard raise is to 50c or 75c and you get 4 callers then you need a lot of fracs. If, on the other hand, the standard raise is to $1 then the fracs are only ever used as blinds and more than a rack is a waste.

 

[JustinInMN]

100/200/200/80/20 is tried and true. Yeah more ones or fives is good but this will work perfectly fine.

Mostly agree, but imo the 80 * $25 and 20 * $100 are way overkill at these stakes in a set with only 600 chips. If you are doing 1000 and can do 100/400/400/80/20 then by all means.

But 17% seems high for what are essentially value store chips. The $100s are pretty much useless in a game that's denominated with fracs, and the $20 and 25s should be used pretty rarely, and only by players that get +200 BB or more, which certainly happens, but obviously never for more than half the table.

I would prefer to recommend something more like
100/250/200/50
OR 100/240/200/60
OR 100/200/240/60 in a 600 chip set.

I really think 400 BB per player should be plenty, get more workhorse (singles and fives) to put off the necessity of changing value store chips as long as possible.

All of these approximate $2400-$3000 which is surely good for single table 25¢-25¢(10k-12k BB) or 25-50¢ (5k-6k BB). Even 50¢-1 is still about 2400-3000 BB, you would have to get 9 players in for an average of over 300BB per player to exhaust that bank.