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HJ limps, Hero kicks it up to 4BB in SB with QQ.

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BB raises to 14BB, HJ folds, Hero decides to 4! to 2.5x

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BB jams for just over 2x. Hero doesnt like it but flats.

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Hero likes it now.

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Hero doesnt like it anymore ... 9 boat outs anyone?

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Ah cr@p. Time to reload. Go it in good but V sucked out with 20% equity pre :(

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It sucks losing flips when you get it in good. On the flop the villain is still %35. Don’t think this qualifies as evidence of being rigged. You’re bound to see some shit playing Zone.
Maybe you should play at GG poker, GG poker just paid out a massive badbeat so at least if you get hit with a rigged deck you could get handsomely rewarded for it.
 
Why do you play zone?
That’s a serious question; I’m curious.

I can only think of one reason. I guess if I wanted to multi-table and only play premiums, zone would be good for that. That doesn’t seem like much fun, but I guess if you’re just trying to grind out a profit, that makes sense.

Other than that, I’d rather play with the same people for a while, and get some reads and exploit some situations. I suppose if you’re trying to play some kind of GTO game and you’re not interested in exploiting individual opponents, zone could be fine. But I’m not sure how profitable it would be, to play that kind of game against a bunch of randoms - like, for example, if you’ve got a calling station at your table, those guys don’t fold when they “should.”
 
boltonguy said:
HJ limps, Hero kicks it up to 4BB in SB with QQ.

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BB raises to 14BB, HJ folds, Hero decides to 4! to 2.5x

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BB jams for just over 2x. Hero doesnt like it but flats.

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Hero likes it now.

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Hero doesnt like it anymore ... 9 boat outs anyone?

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Ah cr@p. Time to reload. Go it in good but V sucked out with 20% equity pre :(

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I don't know where poker tracker is getting the equities from, but this is the "classic coin flip" pre flop. AK vs an under pair, 57% to 43%
At least he was short of a full stack and you only lost 75 bigs, next time when you're on the winning side hopefully you will be more deep. :cool

Iggy zone can see some wild stuff sometimes. I got it in last night for 100 bb's pre with my AA losing to 67o :wtf: Keep grinding!!
 
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Lol, live poker is waaaaay more rigged. Playing online PLO for past two years has bored me with bad beats. The other day I was 88% all in on the flop, ran it twice and got scooped. I chuckled and reloaded. This is the way. If you can’t do it, best to pick a different game or it will be mentally unhealthy.
 
upNdown said:
Why do you play zone?
That’s a serious question; I’m curious.

I can only think of one reason. I guess if I wanted to multi-table and only play premiums, zone would be good for that. That doesn’t seem like much fun, but I guess if you’re just trying to grind out a profit, that makes sense.

Other than that, I’d rather play with the same people for a while, and get some reads and exploit some situations. I suppose if you’re trying to play some kind of GTO game and you’re not interested in exploiting individual opponents, zone could be fine. But I’m not sure how profitable it would be, to play that kind of game against a bunch of randoms - like, for example, if you’ve got a calling station at your table, those guys don’t fold when they “should.”
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I have played zone. It's the worst that poker has to offer (sorry @boltonguy). But, it's fast!

Advantages of zoom:
-you can play as tight as you want and nobody cares.
-you don't have to multi-table for massive volume
-you don't have to sit around and wait on people to fold their shitty hands (prevents yelling GOOOOOO! at your monitor)
-craploads of different players
-all anonomous, so poker tracking software is not effective (at least on bovada, not sure of other places)

Disadvantages of zoom:
-almost everybody is playing super tight
-players are well above average and SUPER aggressive
-you don't get any reads...everybody is anonomous
-does not teach you how to play against different types of opponents....is a horrible training ground for larger stakes or live.
-if you try to get cute and mix it up, you will either just take down the blinds or get put into a bad situation with a hand that you are probably losing to
 
I don’t really think it’s rigged - I was just joking as so many people make that claim when they get sucked out on. Any non-zero percentage to lose a hand will hit sometimes, that’s the beauty of randomness.

Good catch on the equities - put it in poker cruncher and yes it is a flip. Thanks
 
I play zone because waiting is brutal for me. I also play ACR blitz which is not anonymous so you can adjust to player types but almost everyone is playing 21/18 so there isn’t a lot of player type variety. I should bail on ignition all together and just multi table 6 max on ACR with a hud but the tables are always full, yadda yadda and zone/blitz gets my fix.
 
At 260+ hands per hour it is all about the volume. Plus with ignition being anonymous it is good for playing GTO. Other than that it is pretty shitty
 
boltonguy said:
At 260+ hands per hour it is all about the volume. Plus with ignition being anonymous it is good for playing GTO. Other than that it is pretty shitty
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If you want to play against lousy players, I found them all. Pokerbros. It's slow, though. AND you can't play from a PC...which sucks for my old man eyes.
 
SiouxperStack said:
It sucks losing flips when you get it in good. On the flop the villain is still %35. Don’t think this qualifies as evidence of being rigged. You’re bound to see some shit playing Zone.
Maybe you should play at GG poker, GG poker just paid out a massive badbeat so at least if you get hit with a rigged deck you could get handsomely rewarded for it.
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Does ggpoker work in the US?
 
Even if your four bet was to set villain all in instead of to 34bb, villain would be looking at 98bb pot and 61bb to call or better than 3:2 against.

Again, no one is folding AK pre in an anonymous game. Villain's odds are only wrong against AA and KK, and KK is even close. Without reads this the money is going in pre.

If villain flatted the 4 bet to 34BB, he is surely going to shove the fluch draw anyway, he figures to be a favorite against anything except a set, made flush or the :ah:

So I am not sure what the strategy discussion is here?

It's pretty standard these hands at this depth all the chips are going in one way or another.

Hero got it in good, villain got a good price and was pretty live.

I expected this to be a two out or worse story from the title.
 
boltonguy said:
Just sharing a hand to drive some engagement and discussion. Didn’t realize I needed a good reason to do so!!! I don’t have one
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didn't mean to offend, i usually enjoy your strategy posts. this hand just doesn't require any strategy lol.

zone poker is a very different game too, i actually stopped playing because i found myself primarily set mining and it got boring.
 
I'm not up on all of the sites out there, did they have a RNG Cert?
 
wow these guys are baaad. typical vpip is 41/6. I could go on but I think you guys know what I'm dealing with here
 
Close. It means they are playing 41% of hands and they are raising 6% of them pre = very passive (likely fish) that is limping/calling a lot pre
VPIP/PFR = Voluntarily Put (money in) Pot / Pre Flop Raise
Number of players at the table is not reflected in this stat
 
yeah i realized my error and ninja edited before you could reply :) :ninja:
 

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