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5000 chip tourney AJ hand one (1 Viewer)
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Chippy McChiperson
Straight Flush
Could go either way. EP tends to have stronger ranges, but LAG may negate that. If you do decide to three bet, make it around 4-500.
tentoesdown
Two Pair
Just go ahead and flat
ekricket
Royal Flush
I'd call knowing it's going to bring the blinds along. Imho you have a good drawing hand that wants odds to make it worth continuing after the flop if you have to, and strong enough to semi bluff if the flop and checks to you warrant it.
It's also weak enough to get away from completely if the flop misses and strength is brought your way.
You can't win the tourney here anyway so no need to get too froggy.
It's also weak enough to get away from completely if the flop misses and strength is brought your way.
You can't win the tourney here anyway so no need to get too froggy.
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In my opinion, both choices have their merits.
Smooth calling can be good because you conceal the strength of your hand a little bit, keep your range fairly wide, bring along the blinds with a fairly strong hand that can flop pretty well and you are also in pretty good position. Smooth calling also limits your chip commitment to the pot so that if you really wiff, and there is some decent action you can lay it down and move on to the next hand.
3 betting is also a good option because you can isolate the LAG player who is out of position and take a flop with a hand that is probably ahead of his range and also flops fairly well. 3 betting also knocks out the blinds most of the time, prevents you from playing against some random garbage, discourages anyone behind you from making a move a la 4 bet or straight up jam. 3 betting will also allow you to represent strong overpairs better on a dry nothing type of flop. If checked to you I think a c-bet will take it down on most flops.
I think it depends on your style and who is behind you left to act too. Do you think someone behind will 3 bet light or try to bomb it on the first hand? If that is the case I might lean toward a 3 bet. In the grand scheme of things this is the first hand of the tournament. It really shouldn't make or break you. There is plenty of poker to be played.
Smooth calling can be good because you conceal the strength of your hand a little bit, keep your range fairly wide, bring along the blinds with a fairly strong hand that can flop pretty well and you are also in pretty good position. Smooth calling also limits your chip commitment to the pot so that if you really wiff, and there is some decent action you can lay it down and move on to the next hand.
3 betting is also a good option because you can isolate the LAG player who is out of position and take a flop with a hand that is probably ahead of his range and also flops fairly well. 3 betting also knocks out the blinds most of the time, prevents you from playing against some random garbage, discourages anyone behind you from making a move a la 4 bet or straight up jam. 3 betting will also allow you to represent strong overpairs better on a dry nothing type of flop. If checked to you I think a c-bet will take it down on most flops.
I think it depends on your style and who is behind you left to act too. Do you think someone behind will 3 bet light or try to bomb it on the first hand? If that is the case I might lean toward a 3 bet. In the grand scheme of things this is the first hand of the tournament. It really shouldn't make or break you. There is plenty of poker to be played.
Yeah. There better be a good story coming.
Well unfortunately not a super interesting hand or a "good story" I just made a commitment to post hands from league tourney play this season to improve my play hopefully.
I elected to call the 150. The button folded the sb (passive player) and the bb (complete unknown) called.
600 and four players to the flop . The flop is A
106. It is checked to you in position. Bet or check? How much ?
I elected to call the 150. The button folded the sb (passive player) and the bb (complete unknown) called.
600 and four players to the flop . The flop is A
106. It is checked to you in position. Bet or check? How much ?
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ekricket
Royal Flush
I'd strongly consider checking it down from here on, as you have some winning value and it's early in the tourney to risk a lot.
But if you must bet, either 2/3 the pot if you think somebodirs might be drawing or a minimum bet if you think someone already hit the flush.
I know, why min bet? Because it's bait to induce a check raise if anyone has the made flush. Then you can exit losing the minimum. It's surprising how few players can resist that opportunity to get a check raise in.
With that board it's now what you know about the players that makes the difference.
But if you must bet, either 2/3 the pot if you think somebodirs might be drawing or a minimum bet if you think someone already hit the flush.
I know, why min bet? Because it's bait to induce a check raise if anyone has the made flush. Then you can exit losing the minimum. It's surprising how few players can resist that opportunity to get a check raise in.
With that board it's now what you know about the players that makes the difference.
tentoesdown
Two Pair
Well unfortunately not a super interesting hand or a "good story" I just made a commitment to post hands from league tourney play this season to improve my play hopefully.
I elected to call the 300. The button folded the sb (passive player) and the bb (complete unknown) called.
1200 and four players to the flop . The flop is A
You mean 150 right?
Bet 40%ish pot for value and to clear out some equity
Adam Crowley
Two Pair
As discussed both options have merits.
I would elect to call here pending other reads as you have a really strong hand to call and position on an aggressive player with a wide range.
If you 3b you risk isolating yourself against a range that dominates you and you cap your range to stronger hands so it makes it harder to tell a story if you decide to bluff low flops with diamonds etc.
On the flop i prefer checking. It's hard to get value from worse and hard to get better to fold. There are still too many people in the hand and your hand is currently to strong to turn it into a bluff. You can still bet turn and river and represent the nut flush as well.
I would elect to call here pending other reads as you have a really strong hand to call and position on an aggressive player with a wide range.
If you 3b you risk isolating yourself against a range that dominates you and you cap your range to stronger hands so it makes it harder to tell a story if you decide to bluff low flops with diamonds etc.
On the flop i prefer checking. It's hard to get value from worse and hard to get better to fold. There are still too many people in the hand and your hand is currently to strong to turn it into a bluff. You can still bet turn and river and represent the nut flush as well.
tentoesdown
Two Pair
Disagree, there's still lots to get value from. Naked flush draws, gutshots, worse Ax, Tx, underpairs w a heart.
Whoops! Sorry guys, I got the two hands mixed up. I corrected the post
ekricket
Royal Flush
Haha there's still lots of ways to get beat here with four people in the hand is another way of reading your post. Inflate the pot to ginormous size this early in the tournament and then have to give it up on the river when one of the above "value hands" hits and now you face an early position all in bet?
I play with a lot of people who consistently do this, needlessly inflate the pot ( it's early in the tournament and no reason to get out of line with ONE pair and a hand that could be dominated) and then have to fold to a scary runout and a big decision. It's quite profitable.
9 handed
tentoesdown
Two Pair
That is exactly why one bets for protection/value: to not be outdrawn/to charge people in the hand who are drawing to a made hand.
Saying that a 40% flop bet in position on the button vs sb bb and ep ranges is inflating the pot to ginormous sizing is ridiculous
ekricket
Royal Flush
S
Starting stacks are 5000
Pot is 600
40% is about 240, and assume all call so now the pot is 1560
Now the turn comes so you need to bet to protect your one pair. One pair mind you. So do your 40% again and bet 625.
And they all call. Now your pot is 4060. Not ginormous like millions but relative..... and you got one pair to a draw heavy board with three callers. Not a space I play in a lot on the second hand of the tourney.
Starting stacks are 5000
Pot is 600
40% is about 240, and assume all call so now the pot is 1560
Now the turn comes so you need to bet to protect your one pair. One pair mind you. So do your 40% again and bet 625.
And they all call. Now your pot is 4060. Not ginormous like millions but relative..... and you got one pair to a draw heavy board with three callers. Not a space I play in a lot on the second hand of the tourney.
I bet half pot 300. The sb called, the bb raises to 1000 and gives me this weird death stare. He looked angry, which I thought typically means weak, but I don't know the guy or how he plays. EP folds. It's our action
tentoesdown
Two Pair
Death stare is very strong imo. It's extremely hard to bluff checkraise here and stare your opponent down, even if you have a semi strong draw (KhTx for example). I'd range him to 2pair+ and fold.
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