Lack of Interest "Aura" Tournament (Aria Tribute) on Sun-Fly PolyInno (Hybrid) Chips (2 Viewers)

[TheOffalo]

I seem to recall that's printed to within a few mm past the recess, but not all the way to the center - so there's white blank still remaining in the center of the chip.

I haven't murdered one of my custom chips yet to confirm, but that's what I remember seeing before.

Oh well. It totally makes sense not to print if they don't have to (likely saves on ink), just wasn't sure if that was an option. If they have to print something in the recess might as well.

Wonder if Sun-Fly would be willing to try that. Would probably increase the cost though...

 

[Venturalvn]

Oh well. It totally makes sense not to print if they don't have to (likely saves on ink), just wasn't sure if that was an option. If they have to print something in the recess might as well.

Wonder if Sun-Fly would be willing to try that. Would probably increase the cost though...

Tina hybrids are printed with the base color into the middle as well, but it's faint and inconsistent with the main base of the chip. I would assume it's something to do with the height differences and the ink application - whether or not it's because they don't need to or if they can't, I don't know. It's possible that SF couldn't even print a normal quality run into the recess even if you wanted to. Personally I wouldn't see the point.

 

[phaze12]

Not a photographer but this is a 43mm (HBOO5)

 

[Venturalvn]

And here's a Tina hybrids printed into the middle. You can tell it would not be able to apply a quality finish to any graphics in the middle.

 

[phaze12]

I would be in for at least 1k of these but would want the HBOO5.

Trust the people who say this chip is far superior than any others that sunfly makes.

I have a set of BWs and a cash set of them and absolutely love them. I would even say I like them more than rhc.

 

[TheOffalo]

I would be in for at least 1k of these but would want the HBOO5.

Trust the people who say this chip is far superior than any others that sunfly makes.

I have a set of BWs and a cash set of them and absolutely love them. I would even say I like them more than rhc.

I'm just not sure the label-to-chip ratio would look right on the HB005s for this particular design:

I have a sample set of the Midnight Casino, which are 43mm with the smaller inlay, and they're fantastic, but the design includes elements on the chip face that fills the space. I'd have to make bigger modifications and basically reimagine the design to make it work. Let me think on this...

 

[phaze12]

It’s alright. I was just putting it out there in case anyone else wanted them also.

I think the big draw with the hboo5 is the larger surface area. They stack like bricks, easy to shuffle and have a nice sound. (At least the SF labeled chips do. If you relabel the sound is a little higher pitched. To my ears).

Edit. So don’t think too hard on it. No worries if it doesn’t pan out.

 

[springbox]

I think the larger labels look much better, but can't comment on the difference in feel.

 

[PogBoom]

I'm interested in buying both 39mm and 43mm samples, then a set of 300 if I like them.

 

[Colquhoun]

The reason the center recess can’t have quality printing is due to the dye-sub process.
To make ceramic chips, the graphics are printed on paper, then the paper sheet is layed over the blanks and pressed together with heat and pressure. During this, the ink transfers to the blank. It’s critical the the sheet make good contact with the chip for the sharpest transfer. That’s why the fidelity of the image is compromised in the recess…it’s just not making the contact with the paper transfer that the outer edge is.

 

[BGinGA]

^^ Correct.

@BGinGA @Venturalvn what does the recessed part of the chip underneath the label look like?

It's mostly blank, because you can't dye-sub print a chip with a recess (so they don't even bother to print the centers onto the transfer paper). Even the debossed markings on the card molds suffer quality-wise from the areas that are not in direct contact with the transfer paper.

I'm just not sure why Sun-Fly have such a large gap between the two recess choices on the 43mm. If they kept the same ratio as the 25.4mm label to 39mm chip on a 43mm chip, the label would be almost exactly 28mm and keep that 65.1% ratio of label to chip face.

I mean I guess it means they only have to produce 3 label sizes, 25.4mm, 28.4mm, and 31.7mm by reusing the smaller label size on the larger chip, but I'd much preferred they utilized the 28.4mm instead on the 43mm, and still standardize on 3 label sizes.

PCF designed the HB005 43mm blank to have a smaller recessed area, which resulted in a heavier 10g chip with improved feel (more friction due to increased contact area) and (subjectively) a better sound.

The only reason they offer two different 43mm chip versions is because of us. The smaller center version does not imitate some BJ plastic chip designs very well, and was not intended to do so.

Also worth noting that your % calculations are incorrect. You need to do area calculations, and not just compare the diameters.

 

[BGinGA]

~silly chip nerd exercise warning~


Below are the area calculations for the four Sun'Fly Polyinno hybrid ceramic blanks.

HB001 (39x25.4) = 1,194.6 SQ MM
687.9 SQ MM chip-to-chip contact area
label covers 42.4% of chip

HB002 (39x28.4) = 1,194.6 SQ MM
561.1 SQ MM chip-to-chip contact area
label covers 53% of chip

HB003 (43x31.7) = 1,452.2 SQ MM
663.0 SQ MM chip-to-chip contact area
label covers 54.3% of chip

HB005 (43x25.4) = 1,452.2 SQ MM
945.5 SQ MM chip-to-chip contact area
label covers 34.9% of chip


With a much larger chip contact area combined with a much smaller label area percentage, it's no surprise that the HB005 blanks stand out from the other Sun-Fly hybrid offerings regarding weight, sound, and feel.

 

[Kid_Eastwood]

These are 43mm with 1" label :
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/chipdb/princess-private-club.168/

I agree with @BGinGA : they have an amazing grip. They feel, stack and sound amazing.

 

[springbox]

Might be willing to bump up my 43mm quantities to hit the 100 per denom, but might depend on the cost per chip, since I'm assuming it'll be pricier if we don't hit ~2,000

 

[springbox]

Will probably be bumping up my order to 5~600, thinking of making it a 2TT set. Wish there was some more interest in 43mm chips though... At least it'll be cheaper at 39mm

 

[KHarp1]

I will commit to a sample set of each, 39mm and 43mm.

 

[TheOffalo]

Will probably be bumping up my order to 5~600, thinking of making it a 2TT set. Wish there was some more interest in 43mm chips though... At least it'll be cheaper at 39mm

Let me know what your numbers are for the 39mm. Got some numbers back from Sun-Fly; if we are ~2,000 39mm chips (as opposed to the 2,500 quantity I already asked about), the price would go up by 4-5¢/chip (half of which is an increase in the actual per-chip cost, and half being the shipping cost from Sun-Fly spread across fewer chips).

I will commit to a sample set of each, 39mm and 43mm.

It'll be unlikely we'll hit minimums for 43mm to even have them produced, much less have enough interest for sample sets, unfortunately. We'll see if we get enough interest in 39mm sample sets to make that possible.

 

[springbox]

Let me know what your numbers are for the 39mm. Got some numbers back from Sun-Fly; if we are ~2,000 39mm chips (as opposed to the 2,500 quantity I already asked about), the price would go up by 4-5¢/chip (half of which is an increase in the actual per-chip cost, and half being the shipping cost from Sun-Fly spread across fewer chips).



It'll be unlikely we'll hit minimums for 43mm to even have them produced, much less have enough interest for sample sets, unfortunately. We'll see if we get enough interest in 39mm sample sets to make that possible.

Will do, trying to figure out the best numbers. I do like 43mm, but I'm assuming if it's only me, even if I hit 100 for each denom, only 600 chips will be quite a bit a above the quoted $1.10ea

Bet the people with 39mm orders will appreciate the cheaper chips and shipping too haha.

 

[springbox]

Updated amounts:

1k - 150
5k -125
25k - 125
100k - 100

 

[TheOffalo]

Updated amounts:

1k - 150
5k -125
25k - 125
100k - 100

To confirm, 39mm?

 

[springbox]

To confirm, 39mm?

Yeah, you can nix the 43mm

 

[PogBoom]

What is the final date to state interest?

 

[TheOffalo]

Let's say two weeks, March 24th.

 

[GrindstonePoker]

Unfortunately I have to withdraw from this buy. I really love the chips but it’s not going to work for me at this time.

 

[ceramicmike]

Sorry also. I have to withdraw from this buy.

 

[KHarp1]

Not to derail, but, I'm hoping there is enough interest for sample sets. Purely selfish reasons, I've never held these chips and am trying to get my hands on them.

 

[TheOffalo]

With 50% of the interested parties having pulled out, it doesn't make sense for me to run a GB and reship to just two people. It'd make more sense for me to provide/license the design and have them place individual orders (or have one reship to the other).

So I'm closing this thread. If anyone is interested in placing their own orders with Sun-Fly using the Aura design, please reach out to me by PM.

Boy, GBs are tough to organize! Sorry this didn't work out, but it was still fun to try! Thanks again to @Szczesnk for working with Sun-Fly on the test runs.