Best bad beat story (2 Viewers)

[bergs]

I was playing 3/5 spread at Casino Arizona on Mother's Day and this hand popped up.

I have AK and raise preflop to some ridiculous amount and get a single caller. Flop is AAA. Villain checks, I bet and villain (middle aged woman with 2 kids and a husband standing behind here - yeah, weird, but it's Mother's Day) calls. Turn is a complete blank. She checks and says "don't do it - we'll win the bad beat". I'm like "huh?" I'm used to the bad beat being something like at Foxwoods - quads loses to quads and each player has a pocket pair in their hand. I'm sitting there for over a minute just completely perplexed and the dealer turns to me and quietly says "Since you asked before the hand, I can tell you that the bad beat is Aces full of kings losing while playing both cards in their hand". I sit there for another minute and realize that she has KK. OK, so I'll just check. I'm thinking the bad beat is like $800 or whatever and it'd be nice to win a 2K pot.

River is the case K and the entire table groans, including the dealer. She checks, I bet like $30 (because everyone is groaning and I'm bewildered), she folds KK face up and I table my hand and I'm like "WTF" with the wacko bad beat?!?

Ends up that when the K hit the river, she could play Aces full of Kings with either both her KK or one of them in her hand and one on the board, and I could play the K on the board or the K in my hand with quads, which invalidated the bad beat.

Bad beat jackpot was something like $18K. I lost 9K in value on a one outer.

 

[manamongkids]

I was playing 3/5 spread at Casino Arizona on Mother's Day and this hand popped up.

I have AK and raise preflop to some ridiculous amount and get a single caller. Flop is AAA. Villain checks, I bet and villain (middle aged woman with 2 kids and a husband standing behind here - yeah, weird, but it's Mother's Day) calls. Turn is a complete blank. She checks and says "don't do it - we'll win the bad beat". I'm like "huh?" I'm used to the bad beat being something like at Foxwoods - quads loses to quads and each player has a pocket pair in their hand. I'm sitting there for over a minute just completely perplexed and the dealer turns to me and quietly says "Since you asked before the hand, I can tell you that the bad beat is Aces full of kings losing while playing both cards in their hand". I sit there for another minute and realize that she has KK. OK, so I'll just check. I'm thinking the bad beat is like $800 or whatever and it'd be nice to win a 2K pot.

River is the case K and the entire table groans, including the dealer. She checks, I bet like $30 (because everyone is groaning and I'm bewildered), she folds KK face up and I table my hand and I'm like "WTF" with the wacko bad beat?!?

Ends up that when the K hit the river, she could play Aces full of Kings with either both her KK or one of them in her hand and one on the board, and I could play the K on the board or the K in my hand with quads, which invalidated the bad beat.

Bad beat jackpot was something like $18K. I lost 9K in value on a one outer.

and if true

/endthread

 

[MikesDad]

I'm scratching my head over this, too. :

For me a bad beat is losing to a 1- or 2-outer... and probably having the other guy play poorly doesn't hurt

 

[Chippy McChiperson]

My definition of a bad beat is to get the monies in way ahead, and then get sucked out on. A cooler is one of those hands where it is inevitable to get the monies in. A hand can fit both criteria, such as the time my KK beat AA all-in preflop for a $1300 pot.

I flopped a set of kings vs a set of nines in a $1600 pot, and the nines hit running diamonds ftw. The same guy 1-outed me in about $500-$600 pots in successive weeks. First time was set over set, he hit quads. Second was nut flush vs flush, he hit the gutter for a straight flush. I lost a $2000 PLO hand all-in on turn with AA77 vs. AJ102 on a 10 10 7 3 board. Deuce on river, and this was not a hi-lo game. Not the worst bad beat in terms of percentages, but probably the biggest pot I lost that way.

The worst I can remember inflicting were AJ jamming into 99 on a q9x board. Running broadway cards for the win in a $700 pot. Similarly, KJ jamming on a 569 flop into 78, then hitting running 10 Q. That was about 800 I think.

Poker is fun

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Forgot...free money site my qq lost to q9 on a q93 board. He went perfect perfect for the win. That was kinda cool to watch actually.

 

[xt!]

Playing PLO: Table nit pots it from the the HJ, I flat the CO w AAxx BTN re-pots it. The nit flats, I re-pot it. CO calls, nit folds. Flop comes AK8. I bet a little under the pot, BTN shoves, I snap call. He has KKxxdd, starts calling for backdoor diamonds. J diamonds on the turn. K hearts on the river - he celebrates. Roughly 1200 BB pot.

Playing PLO: Table limps to me on the btn with AAxx I make a small raise, about half the pot (which I was doing from the button with any four cards all night) and the SB raises the pot. Five callers to me and I re-pot it (128 BBs). SB snap calls over 1/3 of his stack, one other player calls for less. Flop 25Tcc. SB checks, I have the Ac and backdoor straight draws, and the SB has less than the pot so I shove and he snap calls with 2233.

Playing PLO: small pot, I don't remember the early action but on the turn I have JxJx8dXx and the board is 8x9d8xJd. I pot from EP. Get a caller. River Td - I pot and get re-potted by KdQd4d5x.

Playing PLO: get it in on AA3 flop with Ak35 vs AKQ9. Run it twice: Q on the top, 9 on the bottom.

This was all in the past two weeks.

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On the flip side, there was a hand in Vegas a couple years ago in a short handed 5-10 NLHE game where I thought there was something fishy about villains pf-bet sizing so I shoved on him, only to have him snap call with KK. He fast rolled his hand and we ran it twice. First flop comes out and I announced, "I have a pair and a straight draw", turn hits and I said "I have two pair", river hits and I announced a straight. Second board came out I announced a flush draw, turn hit and I announced my flush, river was a blank.

I still hadn't actually rolled my hand over and he didn't believe me. He put a chip on his cards and slid them toward the dealer as a tip just as I did show my cards. I didn't really slowroll, just wasn't quick about rolling over my 97dd that I got in $1200 effective with pre-flop.

More recently I was playing hyper loose/agro in a local 2-5 game. I 3-bet pre with 46ss on the button. Flop came out 2c5s6d, checked to me I c-bet, CO c/r's me, and I jam. He tanks, mutters to himself about it being really close and eventually calls. Turn Js River 3s, he announces his straight and rolls over 46cc just as I announce a flush and show my 64ss.

 

[bergs]

and if true

/endthread

It's true but I don't think about it much - it ended up being a nice winning session for me and I was on vacation in Scottsdale so meh. In the middle of a losing session at home it would've stung bad. Besides, I didn't lose any money, just the chance at additional monies.

EDIT: I've wondered from time to time if it actually paid if we hit - the dealer and the other player clearly discussed the bad beat while cards where in play, which I've heard invalidates it (at least at Foxwoods - never seen one hit live).

 

[Baby Duey]

Must have been 6 or 7 years back now but this one still stings. Playing 1/2 at a local casino and villian and I are both deeper stack at the table. Effective stacks around 700ish. Im in the SB and villian in BB. A few limpers and a button raise, i 3-bet with KK and get 4-bet by the BB. I call and we are heads up to the flop. Flop is K22. I lead out, get raised, make a lightish re-raise and BB shoves... I call obviously and BB slams down AK like he cannot be behind... I roll over my hand and he is visibly upset. Turn... 2 (now I already know whats about to happen) River.... 2. I ship my stck over to him (trying not to puke in my mouth) and he says "nice hand man" and starts to ship his chips to me... ugh... having to tell him he won the pot might have been worse than the beat...

 

[Mental Nomad]

But I go by the original definition of a Bad Beat: it's when you lose a good hand to someone who didn't belong in the hand to begin with. That is, when you're beat because the other guy played badly.

where did you find the above definition?

I got it from listening to old-timers schooling the squirts back when I was dealing poker in the early 90's!

 

[jbutler]

I got it from listening to old-timers schooling the squirts back when I was dealing poker in the early 90's!

well i guess that settles it. if there's anyone i'd look to for poker knowledge, it's old live donks.

 

[fish72s]

I had an Omaha hand a while back that I lost after flopping the nuts and a 22-out draw to the nuts.

I raised with AsAdQsTd
and got a flop of : AxJs9s I think a 7 came and I lost to a straight when I missed my redraws.

It went bet-call the whole way so I don't know if you'd call it a bad beat. But if all the $$ had gone in on the flop this would have been pretty sick. It was low-stakes so I wasn't too upset. Except that might have been the last hand of Omaha I played.

 

[manamongkids]

Except that might have been the last hand of Omaha I played.

Ever?

 

[bergs]

well i guess that settles it. if there's anyone i'd look to for oxygen tank knowledge, it's old live donks.

FYP....

 

[ssanel54]

It's true but I don't think about it much - it ended up being a nice winning session for me and I was on vacation in Scottsdale so meh. In the middle of a losing session at home it would've stung bad. Besides, I didn't lose any money, just the chance at additional monies.

EDIT: I've wondered from time to time if it actually paid if we hit - the dealer and the other player clearly discussed the bad beat while cards where in play, which I've heard invalidates it (at least at Foxwoods - never seen one hit live).

Wasn't there a recent Bad Bad beat at Foxwoods where they checked it down and there was not enough money in the pot to qualify....Straight flush over straight flush or something. Butler probably remembers.

My favorite Bad Beat was when Guinness was playing at MIT and was not told that you could pull money from your pocket while in a hand....and then they had a cap on the number of rebuys. I forget all the details but it was brutal.

 

[xt!]

Playing in Reno... EP raised, pretty much the entire table called, I had KK in the blinds and 3-bet it. Pretty much the entire table calls. Flop KsQx3s. I shove and get called by 3x3x and QxQs. Turn As, river 5s.

 

[bergs]

Wasn't there a recent Bad Bad beat at Foxwoods where they checked it down and there was not enough money in the pot to qualify....Straight flush over straight flush or something. Butler probably remembers.

My favorite Bad Beat was when Guinness was playing at MIT and was not told that you could pull money from your pocket while in a hand....and then they had a cap on the number of rebuys. I forget all the details but it was brutal.

That was at Mohegan....morons.

Guinness should absolutely retell that story here - that is the worst of the bad beats from a metagame perspective and it's an awesome story. "The rule protects everyone".

 

[k9dr]

Not really a bad beat, but an improbable hand. I was not in the hand. One raise and 3 callers - flop 9h10hQh. Raiser leads out for a pot sized bet, raised, reraised, shove, call, call, call. Four way all in - set of queens, set of 10's, nut flush, and J8h for the flopped straight flush. Roughly a $2K pot + a $500 high hand bonus.

 

[Mental Nomad]

well i guess that settles it. if there's anyone i'd look to for poker knowledge, it's old live donks.

It wasn't from donks, and I'd heard the same from other knowledgeable people. But I know that meaning is gradually being lost, especially since a Bad Beat Jackpot is only concerned with a very high hand losing to an even higher one. More and more people think that's the origin of the phrase, not a borrowing of it.

I just looked at Wikipedia out of curiosity - it supports my definition, but admits that it's not in general agreement. (And I promise, I have not edited this wikipedia page.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_beat

In poker, a bad beat is a subjective term for a hand in which a player with what appear to be strong cards nevertheless loses. It most often occurs where one player bets the clearly stronger hand and their opponent makes a poor call that eventually "hits" and wins. There is no consensus among poker players as to what exactly constitutes a bad beat and often players will disagree about whether a particular hand was a bad beat. A few examples are: quads over full house, quads over quads, straight flush over quads, small full house vs. bigger full house or better.

Types of bad beats

Any hand that looked like a favorite to win can end up losing as more cards are dealt, but bad beats usually involve one of two not mutually exclusive scenarios:

• The player who wins on a bad beat is rewarded for mathematically unsound play. Calling a bet despite having neither the best hand nor the right pot odds or implied odds to call, then winning anyway, is characteristic of this type of bad beat. It can also involve the inferior hand catching running cards when it requires two cards in a row to come from behind to win the pot. For example, catching cards on both the turn and the river in Texas hold 'em that complete a straight or flush.

• A very strong hand loses to an even stronger one. This type of beat occurs with some frequency in movies. In the films The Cincinnati Kid and Casino Royale, The Kid and Le Chiffre each lose with a full house to a straight flush. In this situation, it is possible that both players have played their cards well, and avoiding the bad beat could not have been achieved without committing a mistake. Such an occurrence is sometimes referred to as a setup or cooler in poker lingo.

 

[jbutler]

wikipedia only supports your definition insofar as it supports basically all reasonable definitions. it's hobbyist nomenclature. if there's no consensus among hobbyists, it hardly warrants coming into a thread and telling people that they are wrong.

 

[tommythecat]

Playing in a WSOP Circuit event at Horseshoe Hammond...

This is my second time playing in a circuit event. The first time I played I went very deep in day one and barely missed making it to day two. The second time I am pretty sure I was the first person eliminated from the tourney. It was the 3rd hand and I look down at pocket 9's. UTG limps as well as a couple people after him. I am in late position and I raise it up to 150 (blinds at 25/50). Folds around to UTG who flat calls. Everyone else folds. Flop comes K 9 blank. UTG checks and I bet 600. He calls. Blank on the turn. He checks again and I bet 1000. Just a call again. River is another blank and another check from villain. I bet 1000 again and he raises to 3000. I go all in over the top and get snap called by KK. Flopped set over set and that was all she wrote for me.

I told this story before on CT when it was still fresh in my mind so the details may be a little off. Looking back the way he played it I couldn't have put him on K's and it was a hell of a trap on his part.

 

[Numerobis]

Happened at the final table of a NLHE tourneyI was sitting on, initial 35 players. Not yet in the money positions:

Two players raise, reraise, then shove pre flop. On your backs situation: it was a classic 2 high pairs, KK vs JJ

Flop K 4 4
Turn ... J
River ... J

From a probability perspective, I think this is the lowest possible

 

[Mental Nomad]

wikipedia only supports your definition insofar as it supports basically all reasonable definitions. it's hobbyist nomenclature. if there's no consensus among hobbyists, it hardly warrants coming into a thread and telling people that they are wrong.

I'm sorry you feel like I came into the thread to tell people they were wrong... that's not actually how I feel. I know language changes. I may not have tried hard enough to point it out, but I know that most people today use the "really big hand that still loses" definition. I just wanted to bring up that I prefer the older meaning of the term, and by that meaning, not all of these stories are true bad beat stories. They're still good stories, by either definition.

I only brought up the Wikipedia because I was immediately bashed about the definition - as if I were taking advice from donks on oxygen tanks.

There are lots of words that change even more radically within single lifetimes. I'm always amused when people call something "terrific" when they think it's wonderful... Because that used to mean things were so awful that they were terrifying. I grew up with the "wonderful" meaning and got confused when I heard a recording of the newscaster covering the Hindenburg disaster calling it "a terrific crash."

 

[bergs]

I'm sorry you feel like I came into the thread to tell people they were wrong... that's not actually how I feel. I know language changes. I may not have tried hard enough to point it out, but I know that most people today use the "really big hand that still loses" definition. I just wanted to bring up that I prefer the older meaning of the term, and by that meaning, not all of these stories are true bad beat stories. They're still good stories, by either definition.

I only brought up the Wikipedia because I was immediately bashed about the definition - as if I were taking advice from donks on oxygen tanks.

There are lots of words that change even more radically within single lifetimes. I'm always amused when people call something "terrific" when they think it's wonderful... Because that used to mean things were so awful that they were terrifying. I grew up with the "wonderful" meaning and got confused when I heard a recording of the newscaster covering the Hindenburg disaster calling it "a terrific crash."

Technically, OMC donks know ALOT about oxygen tanks. Take a bad beat from one and ask him if you can unplug his tank - you'll learn LOTS!

 

[jbutler]

I'm sorry you feel like I came into the thread to tell people they were wrong... that's not actually how I feel. I know language changes. I may not have tried hard enough to point it out, but I know that most people today use the "really big hand that still loses" definition. I just wanted to bring up that I prefer the older meaning of the term, and by that meaning, not all of these stories are true bad beat stories. They're still good stories, by either definition.

I only brought up the Wikipedia because I was immediately bashed about the definition - as if I were taking advice from donks on oxygen tanks.

There are lots of words that change even more radically within single lifetimes. I'm always amused when people call something "terrific" when they think it's wonderful... Because that used to mean things were so awful that they were terrifying. I grew up with the "wonderful" meaning and got confused when I heard a recording of the newscaster covering the Hindenburg disaster calling it "a terrific crash."

most people realize plenty of commonly used terms aren't technically correct, but prioritize effective communication over technical accuracy outside of legal or technical writing. reminding people that some word originally had a meaning other than its current definition isn't helpful or interesting; it's just annoying.

 

[krafticus]

I think my bad beat qualifies for all of the above. Bad player, bad cards, and only 1 possible out.

 

[Mental Nomad]

reminding people that some word originally had a meaning other than its current definition isn't helpful or interesting; it's just annoying.

I'm sorry you feel so bullied. It wasn't even directed at you. I posted as a separate comment to the thread, but the forum software merged it into my comment about your story - which I actually liked.

<shrug>

 

[Leonard]

One more and I don't think this counts as a "bad beat" by anybody's definition:

1/2 NLHE in Durant OK. Three-way all in pre-flop, although as I recall (I was at the table but not in the hand) nobody had much money to start with:
AA vs KK vs TT

Ten on the flop. King turn. Ace river.

Suck
Re-Suck
Re-Re-Suck.

More amusing to the spectators than to the players, I imagine.

L

 

[stocky]

One more and I don't think this counts as a "bad beat" by anybody's definition:

1/2 NLHE in Durant OK. Three-way all in pre-flop, although as I recall (I was at the table but not in the hand) nobody had much money to start with:
AA vs KK vs TT

Ten on the flop. King turn. Ace river.

Suck
Re-Suck
Re-Re-Suck.

More amusing to the spectators than to the players, I imagine.

L

i had a similar experience with AA, KK and JJ. J on the flop K on the river. And my aces cracked for both main and side pot.

 

[abby99]

Dealer's choice. Double-board Omaha. We usually play this as a split-pot game, but this time the dealer called best overall hand wins all the things. I may be mistaken about the details, but the gist of the hand is that player A flops quad 8's on one board, and player B flops something good on the other board that involves Tens. Raising and reraising ensues until both players are all in. On the river, player B makes quad Tens on the second board. This took place a couple of years ago and player A still can't talk about it.

Player B, if you see this, please feel free to correct any details that I may have remembered incorrectly.

 

[Payback]

Dealer's choice. Double-board Omaha. We usually play this as a split-pot game, but this time the dealer called best overall hand wins all the things. I may be mistaken about the details, but the gist of the hand is that player A flops quad 8's on one board, and player B flops something good on the other board that involves Tens. Raising and reraising ensues until both players are all in. On the river, player B makes quad Tens on the second board. This took place a couple of years ago and player A still can't talk about it.

Player B, if you see this, please feel free to correct any details that I may have remembered incorrectly.

Bahahahhahah. This hand is always funny to bring up because Player B still is so mad about it. FYI I'm not either player.

 

[guinness]

I always loved this hand, simply because of JRB's emotions playing open faced.