Best/Worst Live Angles You've Seen (1 Viewer)

[Anthony Martino]

At Seminole Hard Rock Tampa playing 3/6 limit Omaha hi/lo and the dealer notices a card that's been marked/scratched (an Ace). He starts discussing it and looking at the card very intently and calls the floor over as they prepare to replace the deck.

EVERYONE at the table is paying attention (because they're talk of someone marking cards) except this one motherfucker at the opposite end of the table. He immediately turns his body away from the table and starts looking out at the poker room floor, acting completely disinterested. If ever there was a tell so blatant of guilt that was it.

You've gotta live a pretty sad existence to cheat at 3/6 limit.

 

[RainmanTrail]

At Seminole Hard Rock Tampa playing 3/6 limit Omaha hi/lo and the dealer notices a card that's been marked/scratched (an Ace). He starts discussing it and looking at the card very intently and calls the floor over as they prepare to replace the deck.

EVERYONE at the table is paying attention (because they're talk of someone marking cards) except this one motherfucker at the opposite end of the table. He immediately turns his body away from the table and starts looking out at the poker room floor, acting completely disinterested. If ever there was a tell so blatant of guilt that was it.

You've gotta live a pretty sad existence to cheat at 3/6 limit.

I played O8 cash games as a pretty good chunk of my poker career, and I can't remember the last time I played a session where aces WEREN'T marked. It's unbelievable to me how many players cheat. In fact, just last weekend at the WSOP HORSE event, I had to call the floor over TWICE to swap out our marked decks. So sad.

 

[Chicken Rob]

 

[Jimulacrum]

That last one, during Live at the Bike, does Ron actually announce "two pair" when it's in that spot where Sam has picked up chips but hasn't yet acted? The subtitles claim he did, but it's hard to tell for sure.

 

[chkmte]

That last one, during Live at the Bike, does Ron actually announce "two pair" when it's in that spot where Sam has picked up chips but hasn't yet acted? The subtitles claim he did, but it's hard to tell for sure.

I thought I head someone say "two pair" but I could be wrong.

 

[krafticus]

My angle for the night.
I'm in your area @jbutler .. Point Pleasant boardwalk.

Ok, that is it, couldn't find a proper thread for it, but wanted to share.

 

[jbutler]

My angle for the night.
I'm in your area @jbutler .. Point Pleasant boardwalk.

Ok, that is it, couldn't find a proper thread for it, but wanted to share.

Nice Mark. I live in Point. Not sure if you knew that or that I just live in the area. Hope you and the family are having a blast. If you're here for the week and want a game let me know!

 

[justsomedude]

Many years ago, I was the poker room manager at a casino in WA. We had a player named Gary who would constantly miscall his hands intentionally to get other players to fold. He was mostly an Omaha player, but he did it in O8 and holdem. I had been playing with him for years prior to this and he would always get warned by the floormen, but they never did a damn thing about it. I watched him successfully shoot this angle dozens of times with no repercussions. After those cardrooms closed down, the place I was at was really the only good game left in town, so he started playing there. I pulled him aside one day while he was waiting for a seat and told him I didn't want to see his bullshit angle shooting at all, and if he tried to pull that shit in my cardroom he'd be picked up off the tables. He pretended like he didn't know what I was talking about of course.

Long story short, I hear some chaos at his table while I'm working on something else, and as I walk over to the table, one of our regulars is yelling at him because of the exact same bullshit. Fortunately, they didn't fold their hand, and Gary lost the pot. I didn't even say a word to him. I just grabbed a couple of empty racks and handed them to him and told the dealer to deal him out. He went nuts. Started calling me a racist (he's black), said I was afraid to play against him and that's why I'm kicking him out (he's a losing player), blah blah blah. I told him he could come back the next day as long as he didn't pull that shit again. Needless to say, he couldn't help himself and pulled it again the next time he came in. I 86ed him.

It's funny you posted this - I was about to post a similar incident that happened this weekend but figured it was a dumb/pointless experience. However, since your outcome/approach was different, I'm curious to what you think of how a similar scenario was handled here in Blackhawk...

Two players head's up to the river and the board is

I don't recall the exact betting, but one player bets heavy on the river - we'll call him the hero, and the villain/complainer calls. Hero says "two pair..." and as he starts to turn his cards over villain says, "I got two pair too!" and slams down his , thinking he's good with Js7sA. Hero turns over showing the Js full boat. What villain didn't hear, because he jumped up and slammed his cards down, was the hero's complete statement, which was "two pair ... that improved to a full boat." Everyone at the table eventually confirmed hearing this, including the dealer.

Immediately, villain goes BALLISTIC. "Call the floor - he said two pair!! HE SAID TWO PAIR!" Everyone is looking around baffled, saying, "who gives a shit, the cards speak, and even if it was two pair, his two pair beat yours." The guy goes on and on ranting about how the dude was angling him (even though he already f*cking called before anything was said).

Long story short (and where my real question comes in) is the floor man rules the boat stands (duh), but then (interestingly) says to the villain, "sir, it doesn't matter what he told you -- I can tell you that I have a royal flush every damn hand, if you want to call to see if I'm telling the truth or not, that's your business. The cards will always do the talking."

So my question is, why did you ban a guy for lying about a hand (which, as far as I know, isn't against any hard rule, it's more an etiquette situation), when our local floor man called it "part of the game"? Truly just curious.

 

[krafticus]

Nice Mark. I live in Point. Not sure if you knew that or that I just live in the area. Hope you and the family are having a blast. If you're here for the week and want a game let me know!

I knew that is where you are, hence my post. We are at LBI for the week. We came up that way to see some family near Manasquan. No game for me while here though, just plenty of beach time.

/threadjack

 

[RainmanTrail]

It's funny you posted this - I was about to post a similar incident that happened this weekend but figured it was a dumb/pointless experience. However, since your outcome/approach was different, I'm curious to what you think of how a similar scenario was handled here in Blackhawk...

Two players head's up to the river and the board is

I don't recall the exact betting, but one player bets heavy on the river - we'll call him the hero, and the villain/complainer calls. Hero says "two pair..." and as he starts to turn his cards over villain says, "I got two pair too!" and slams down his , thinking he's good with Js7sA. Hero turns over showing the Js full boat. What villain didn't hear, because he jumped up and slammed his cards down, was the hero's complete statement, which was "two pair ... that improved to a full boat." Everyone at the table eventually confirmed hearing this, including the dealer.

Immediately, villain goes BALLISTIC. "Call the floor - he said two pair!! HE SAID TWO PAIR!" Everyone is looking around baffled, saying, "who gives a shit, the cards speak, and even if it was two pair, his two pair beat yours." The guy goes on and on ranting about how the dude was angling him (even though he already f*cking called before anything was said).

Long story short (and where my real question comes in) is the floor man rules the boat stands (duh), but then (interestingly) says to the villain, "sir, it doesn't matter what he told you -- I can tell you that I have a royal flush every damn hand, if you want to call to see if I'm telling the truth or not, that's your business. The cards will always do the talking."

So my question is, why did you ban a guy for lying about a hand (which, as far as I know, isn't against any hard rule, it's more an etiquette situation), when our local floor man called it "part of the game"? Truly just curious.

Good question, and technically speaking, yes, the floorman is correct. Cards always speak for themselves. You can't take a hand from a player who miscalls (or misreads) his/her hand. However, that's not the full picture. In the scenario above, I would have told the guy bitching to stop crying about his lost hand and wouldn't have even said a thing to the other player who said he had "two pair...".

However, as a poker room manager, especially in a smaller 5 table card room where we only ran one Omaha table, you also have a responsibility to the players to keep the game fair, and keep your player pool happy. EVERYONE hated this guy. And I mean EVERYONE! He cussed out players constantly, he never tips the dealers, treats the wait staff like shit, and he miscalled his hands at every opportunity. Our Omaha game was mostly older players (at least half the table was over the age of 70). He would try to angle shoot them at the end of the hand by calling out "TWO PAIR" when he knew he only had one, or he'd say "Straight", or "Nut flush" with the lone Ace, and he'd even turn his cards face up from the other side of the table when he knew they couldn't see his cards and motion as if he's pointing to his straight/flush/two pair/nut low, etc. Unsuspecting elderly players were constantly being taken advantage of, and I had seen too many players feeling dejected and pissed off. They were livid, absolutely livid. It was a low stakes friendly game, and we were losing players because of him. No one wanted to play with him. Kick him out, and the game survives, everyone's happy. Easy decision.

 

[justsomedude]

However, as a poker room manager, especially in a smaller 5 table card room where we only ran one Omaha table, you also have a responsibility to the players to keep the game fair, and keep your player pool happy. ... It was a low stakes friendly game, and we were losing players because of him. No one wanted to play with him. Kick him out, and the game survives, everyone's happy. Easy decision.

Ah yes, gotta think of the business/clients. Makes sense. Thanks for the follow up.

 

[jbutler]

I knew that is where you are, hence my post. We are at LBI for the week. We came up that way to see some family near Manasquan. No game for me while here though, just plenty of beach time.

/threadjack

Excellent. Well let me know if you change your mind. The regular game is off exit 74 so not far from you. Otherwise relax and enjoy LBI!

 

[bivey]

In my annual deepstack tourney, UTG checks at the river in a small pot. The rest of the table (4 or 5 other players) check behind. Seeing the last check, UTG immediately says "You guys checked out of turn! I didn't get a chance to bet." She bets and the oldest player in the room, the godmother of poker in this town snap calls the bet and tables a terrible best hand. Angle shooter loses pot. Worse, she seemed to forget that this is a team tournament and that half of all players are on the rail every round. No fewer than 3 of us watched it from right behind her. She was removed from my invite list the next morning. (Didn't help that she was rude as hell in the side games after she busted).