Burt & Co (1 Viewer)

[maxim_666666]

Hello everyone!

I’d like to share my story and get some feedback from those who have encountered something similar. Recently, I got my hands on some truly amazing chips!

These are jockey-shaped chips, and from Burt & Co! I know this for sure thanks to the order cards.
https://chipguide.themogh.org/cg_chip2.php?id=LRMOCD&sort=type
They were produced in 1974! Despite their age, they are astonishingly vibrant and have an incredibly clean inlay (more on that below). I couldn’t quite understand why the inlay hadn’t yellowed over all these years.

The chips themselves are very crumbly and rough—so much so that neither cleaning nor shuffling seems to help! They have the dullest sound of any chips I’ve ever held, closer to plastic Matsui or Bud Jones chips than to Paulson. A fantastic sound for clay chips!

I’d even say they feel like some kind of strange mix of rubber and sand. Look at what was left after ultrasonic cleaning and brushing... Could they have been damaged by some chemicals? It’s not paint or pigment but tiny solid particles around 0.01mm in size (I measured them). Maybe @David Spragg can shed some light on this mystery?
I cleaned literally 10 chips.

They are listed as Extra Heavy weighted, but their weight is standard, just like regular CPC chips.

Aside from the cute edge spot, I noticed two very interesting things that I didn’t catch right away:

1. The inlay – We all know that ASM/CPC uses a triple inlay system, which is held in the chip by vacuum pressure. Many people think there’s glue under the bottom layer, but that’s not the case. The glue simply keeps the label in place, the air is pressed out during manufacturing, and the top transparent laminate seals it all together.
However, in these chips, the inlay is different. You can’t see the edge, but with some effort, you’ll notice the label can actually move slightly!

One of the chips had a crack, so I broke it open to see what was inside. The image was printed on a solid piece of plastic, almost like a playing card! And it was held in place by just a tiny glue spot!

2. Fibers in the chip Material!!!!
It seems that the whole cotton in chips theory is actually true!

What do you guys think?
How much cotton is in your chips?

 

[bigblind]

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[WedgeRock]

 

[Okku]

I just want to point out that the only reason inlays yellow or get some sort of discoloration is due to UV damage, being exposed to the sun primarily.

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[upNdown]

They were produced in 1974!

They have the dullest sound of any chips I’ve ever held, closer to plastic Matsui or Bud Jones chips than to Paulson.

I’d even say they feel like some kind of strange mix of rubber and sand.

I wish I had something better to add than a rumor, but I'm almost certain that I've read somewhere here that Burt was producing THCs for Paulson after Paulson acquired the mold, but before they got their production up and running - sometime in the mid to late 1970s, and that those chips were not leaded.

 

[drdr]

Yah, is cotton, lots. As mentioned in that... other thread... been looking at plants under a microscope for most my career; look like plant fibres to me.

 

[maxim_666666]

I just want to point out that the only reason inlays yellow or get some sort of discoloration is due to UV damage, being exposed to the sun primarily.

I'll be following this! I love it!

And water, if it leaks under the label. Not even the water itself, but minerals and other dirt dissolved in it.

I wish I had something better to add than a rumor, but I'm almost certain that I've read somewhere here that Burt was producing THCs for Paulson after Paulson acquired the mold, but before they got their production up and running - sometime in the mid to late 1970s, and that those chips were not leaded.

100%

 

[mike32]

Don’t ultrasonic cleaners and especially TSP damage ASM/CPC chips? I’m not sure ultrasonic is a good idea. I will say that Paulson chips also leave behind a colored dust after cleaning in an ultrasonic as well.

Also how many do you have? Do you have a playable set? We need more pics and details!

 

[Cratty]

So you're saying don't wash the chips otherwise they'd shrink? Got it.

 

[maxim_666666]

Don’t ultrasonic cleaners and especially TSP damage ASM/CPC chips? I’m not sure ultrasonic is a good idea. I will say that Paulson chips also leave behind a colored dust after cleaning in an ultrasonic as well.

Also how many do you have? Do you have a playable set? We need more pics and details!

Only 55 pieces that I have identified accurately. I bought them here.
https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/some-small-lots.128681/
I was just curious to look at them. By the way, the salmon chip was pink, but it didn't match any of the colors. Neither ASM nor CPC. That is, they are also from some other era. The green one also had differences, but was closest to green...
I'll take a photo in the evening.

If you don't add TSP (and other things like all-purpose cleaners) to the water, as I did here, then nothing will happen to the CPC chips.
Post in thread 'Ultrasonic Chip Cleaning' https://www.pokerchipforum.com/threads/ultrasonic-chip-cleaning.1691/post-2578346
In general, ultrasound cleans CPCs well from factory dust. And cleaning is required very rarely, since they do not suffer from color transfer like Paulson. Otherwise, of course, the best solution is a toothbrush and soap.

 

[chipinla]

So you're saying don't wash the chips otherwise they'd shrink? Got it.